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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>,
	"user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 02:13:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110823011312.GZ2203@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110823010146.GY2203@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 02:01:46AM +0100, Al Viro wrote:

> now, what is going to happen to %ebp if we go through IRET path, for any
> reason?  From my reading it appears that right after that IRET we'll have
> ebp containing arg6.  I.e. what we'd pushed on stack.  Now, popl %ebp
> will bring the same value back.  Not a problem.  But what about
> movl %ebp, %ecx?  Again, I'm talking about the case when we have no
> restart at all - just an strace(1) tracing a process.
> 
> AFAICS, in that case we ought to have %ecx == %ebp after return from
> __kernel_vsyscall().  Which would blow the things up _very_ fast.
> 
> So what the hell am I missing here?

*UGH*.  OK,
	1) I'm an idiot; int_ret_from_sys_call does *not* usually step on
rbp (it's callee-saved).  So normally ebp is left as is on the way out,
which is why we don't see stuff getting buggered left, right and center.
	2) Sometimes it apparently does somehow happen.  I don't see where
it happens yet, but uml breakage that started all of that looks *exactly*
like that.  %ebp getting arg6 in it when we return into __kernel_vsyscall()
from the kernel fits the observed pattern precisely.
	3) modulo that the situation is nowhere near as bad as I thought.
Brown paperbag time for me - for missing that if my analysis had been correct
we'd've seen breakage _much_ earlier.  Mea culpa.
	4) we still have a problem, apparently, but it's more narrow now -
the question is when would %rbp be shat into?

Al, off to apply a serious self-LART...

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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>, Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" 
	<user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 02:13:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110823011312.GZ2203@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110823010146.GY2203@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 02:01:46AM +0100, Al Viro wrote:

> now, what is going to happen to %ebp if we go through IRET path, for any
> reason?  From my reading it appears that right after that IRET we'll have
> ebp containing arg6.  I.e. what we'd pushed on stack.  Now, popl %ebp
> will bring the same value back.  Not a problem.  But what about
> movl %ebp, %ecx?  Again, I'm talking about the case when we have no
> restart at all - just an strace(1) tracing a process.
> 
> AFAICS, in that case we ought to have %ecx == %ebp after return from
> __kernel_vsyscall().  Which would blow the things up _very_ fast.
> 
> So what the hell am I missing here?

*UGH*.  OK,
	1) I'm an idiot; int_ret_from_sys_call does *not* usually step on
rbp (it's callee-saved).  So normally ebp is left as is on the way out,
which is why we don't see stuff getting buggered left, right and center.
	2) Sometimes it apparently does somehow happen.  I don't see where
it happens yet, but uml breakage that started all of that looks *exactly*
like that.  %ebp getting arg6 in it when we return into __kernel_vsyscall()
from the kernel fits the observed pattern precisely.
	3) modulo that the situation is nowhere near as bad as I thought.
Brown paperbag time for me - for missing that if my analysis had been correct
we'd've seen breakage _much_ earlier.  Mea culpa.
	4) we still have a problem, apparently, but it's more narrow now -
the question is when would %rbp be shat into?

Al, off to apply a serious self-LART...

  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-23  1:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-18 18:58 [uml-devel] Subject: [PATCH 00/91] pending uml patches Al Viro
2011-08-18 18:58 ` Al Viro
2011-08-18 19:12 ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-18 19:12   ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-18 19:19   ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-18 19:19     ` Al Viro
2011-08-19  4:31     ` Al Viro
2011-08-19  8:51       ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-19  8:51         ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20  1:18         ` [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386 Al Viro
2011-08-20 15:22           ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 20:14             ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-20 20:14               ` Al Viro
2011-08-20 20:55               ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:26                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:26                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:38                   ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:38                     ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:40                   ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:40                     ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21  6:34                     ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21  6:34                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-21  8:42                       ` [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-21  8:42                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 11:24                         ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 11:24                           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 13:37                           ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 13:37                             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 14:51                             ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21 14:51                               ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 14:43                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 16:41                             ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21 16:41                               ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  0:44                               ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  0:44                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  1:09                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:19                                   ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:19                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:19                                   ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:19                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:25                                   ` [tip:x86/urgent] x86-32, vdso: On system call restart after SYSENTER, use int $0x80 tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:40                                   ` tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:16                                 ` [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:16                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:41                                   ` [uml-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:41                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:48                                     ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:48                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  2:01                                       ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:01                                         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:07                                         ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  2:07                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  2:26                                           ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:26                                             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:34                                             ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  2:34                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:05                                             ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:05                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  9:53                                               ` [uml-devel] " Ingo Molnar
2011-08-22 13:34                                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 13:34                                                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 14:40                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-22 14:40                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-22 15:13                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 15:13                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 20:05                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 20:05                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 20:11                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 20:11                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:52                                                           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 21:52                                                             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 22:04                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 22:04                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 23:27                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 23:46                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 23:46                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:03                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:03                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:22                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  0:22                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  1:01                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:13                                                                         ` Al Viro [this message]
2011-08-23  1:13                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:59                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  1:59                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  2:59                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  2:59                                                                               ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  2:17                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  6:15                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 14:26                                                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:30                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:30                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:03                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:03                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:11                                                                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23 16:11                                                                                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23 16:20                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:20                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 18:04                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 18:04                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-24 12:44                                                                                       ` [PATCH] x86, asm: Document some of the syscall asm glue Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:22                                                                                   ` [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:29                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:53                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:53                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:58                                                                                         ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 16:58                                                                                           ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 17:07                                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:07                                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:29                                                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 17:29                                                                                               ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-25  0:05                                                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 19:15                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:15                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 20:56                                                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 21:06                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:10                                                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-24 21:10                                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-24 21:10                                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 16:48                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:48                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:08                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:08                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:20                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:20                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:18                                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:18                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:24                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:24                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:26                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:26                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:41                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 19:41                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 19:43                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:43                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:17                                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 21:17                                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:16                                                                         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23  1:18                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  1:18                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:07                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  4:11                                       ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:11                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:26                                         ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  4:26                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  5:03                                           ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  5:03                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  5:10                                             ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23  5:10                                               ` Andrew Lutomirski

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