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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>,
	"user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:48:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110823164849.GF2203@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzUAuPEwcvVvuXooWMT6XpDuOjEHi-Ab+SOhZVjfbVYpA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 09:03:04AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> Suggested fixes:
> 
>  - instead of blindly doing SETREGS, just write the result registers
> individually like you suggested

Not enough.  There is also a PITA with signal handlers.  There we can't
avoid modifying ebp on the way out of handler (i.e. by emulated sigreturn).
And it lands us straight after syscall insn, with ebp "restored" to the
wrong value.

> OR (and perhaps preferably):
> 
>  - teach UML that when you do 'GETREGS' after a system call trapped,
> we have switched things around to match the "official system call
> order", and UML should just undo our swizzling, and do a "regs.ebp =
> regs.ecx" to make it be what the actual original registers were (or
> whatever the actual correct swizzle is - I didn't think that through
> very much).

Um...  How would it know which syscall variant had that been, to start
with?  For int 0x80 it would need to use registers as-is.  For SYSENTER
it also could use them as-is - ebp will differ from what we put there
when entering the sucker, but not critically so; on the way out of
syscall we'll overwrite it anyway immediately (either by pop or mov).
For SYSCALL... we don't really care about ecx contents prior to entering
the kernel (and it'll be blown out anyway), and ebp one could be found in
regs.ecx.  So yes, we can do it that way, but... how to tell what variant
had been triggered?  Examining two bytes prior to user eip?  Sounds bloody
brittle...

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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>, Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" 
	<user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:48:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110823164849.GF2203@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzUAuPEwcvVvuXooWMT6XpDuOjEHi-Ab+SOhZVjfbVYpA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 09:03:04AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> Suggested fixes:
> 
>  - instead of blindly doing SETREGS, just write the result registers
> individually like you suggested

Not enough.  There is also a PITA with signal handlers.  There we can't
avoid modifying ebp on the way out of handler (i.e. by emulated sigreturn).
And it lands us straight after syscall insn, with ebp "restored" to the
wrong value.

> OR (and perhaps preferably):
> 
>  - teach UML that when you do 'GETREGS' after a system call trapped,
> we have switched things around to match the "official system call
> order", and UML should just undo our swizzling, and do a "regs.ebp =
> regs.ecx" to make it be what the actual original registers were (or
> whatever the actual correct swizzle is - I didn't think that through
> very much).

Um...  How would it know which syscall variant had that been, to start
with?  For int 0x80 it would need to use registers as-is.  For SYSENTER
it also could use them as-is - ebp will differ from what we put there
when entering the sucker, but not critically so; on the way out of
syscall we'll overwrite it anyway immediately (either by pop or mov).
For SYSCALL... we don't really care about ecx contents prior to entering
the kernel (and it'll be blown out anyway), and ebp one could be found in
regs.ecx.  So yes, we can do it that way, but... how to tell what variant
had been triggered?  Examining two bytes prior to user eip?  Sounds bloody
brittle...

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-08-23 16:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-18 18:58 [uml-devel] Subject: [PATCH 00/91] pending uml patches Al Viro
2011-08-18 18:58 ` Al Viro
2011-08-18 19:12 ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-18 19:12   ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-18 19:19   ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-18 19:19     ` Al Viro
2011-08-19  4:31     ` Al Viro
2011-08-19  8:51       ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-19  8:51         ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20  1:18         ` [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386 Al Viro
2011-08-20 15:22           ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 20:14             ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-20 20:14               ` Al Viro
2011-08-20 20:55               ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:26                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:26                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:38                   ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:38                     ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:40                   ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:40                     ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21  6:34                     ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21  6:34                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-21  8:42                       ` [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-21  8:42                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 11:24                         ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 11:24                           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 13:37                           ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 13:37                             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 14:51                             ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21 14:51                               ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 14:43                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 16:41                             ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21 16:41                               ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  0:44                               ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  0:44                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  1:09                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:19                                   ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:19                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:19                                   ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:19                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:25                                   ` [tip:x86/urgent] x86-32, vdso: On system call restart after SYSENTER, use int $0x80 tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:40                                   ` tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:16                                 ` [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:16                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:41                                   ` [uml-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:41                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:48                                     ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:48                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  2:01                                       ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:01                                         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:07                                         ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  2:07                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  2:26                                           ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:26                                             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:34                                             ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  2:34                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:05                                             ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:05                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  9:53                                               ` [uml-devel] " Ingo Molnar
2011-08-22 13:34                                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 13:34                                                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 14:40                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-22 14:40                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-22 15:13                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 15:13                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 20:05                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 20:05                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 20:11                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 20:11                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:52                                                           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 21:52                                                             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 22:04                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 22:04                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 23:27                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 23:46                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 23:46                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:03                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:03                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:22                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  0:22                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  1:01                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:13                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:13                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:59                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  1:59                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  2:59                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  2:59                                                                               ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  2:17                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  6:15                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 14:26                                                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:30                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:30                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:03                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:03                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:11                                                                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23 16:11                                                                                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23 16:20                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:20                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 18:04                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 18:04                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-24 12:44                                                                                       ` [PATCH] x86, asm: Document some of the syscall asm glue Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:22                                                                                   ` [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:29                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:53                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:53                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:58                                                                                         ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 16:58                                                                                           ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 17:07                                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:07                                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:29                                                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 17:29                                                                                               ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-25  0:05                                                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 19:15                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:15                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 20:56                                                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 21:06                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:10                                                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-24 21:10                                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-24 21:10                                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 16:48                                                                                 ` Al Viro [this message]
2011-08-23 16:48                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:08                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:08                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:20                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:20                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:18                                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:18                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:24                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:24                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:26                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:26                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:41                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 19:41                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 19:43                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:43                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:17                                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 21:17                                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:16                                                                         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23  1:18                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  1:18                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:07                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  4:11                                       ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:11                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:26                                         ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  4:26                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  5:03                                           ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  5:03                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  5:10                                             ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23  5:10                                               ` Andrew Lutomirski

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