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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, harald@redhat.com, david@fubar.dk,
	greg@kroah.com
Subject: Re: A Plumber’s Wish List for Linux
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 03:57:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111007015732.GZ14482@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111007001356.GA11994@tango.0pointer.de>

> Well, I am aware of PR_SET_NAME, but that modifies comm, not argv[]. And
> while "top" indeed shows the former, "ps" shows the latter. We are looking
> for a way to nice way to modify argv[] without having to reuse space
> from environ[] like most current Linux implementations of
> setproctitle() do.

It's not clear to me how the kernel could change argv[] any better than you 
could in user space.

> Well, it's interesting in the syslog case, and it's OK if people can
> change it. What matters is that this information is available simply for
> the informational value. Right now, if one combines SCM_CREDENTIALS and
> /proc/$PID/comm you often end up with no information about the senders
> name at all, since at the time you try to read comm the PID might
> actually not exist anymore at all. We are simply trying to close this
> particular race between receiving SCM_CREDENTIALS and reading
> /proc/$PID/comm here, we are not looking for a way to make process names
> trusted.

The issue with all of these proposals is that the sender currently doesn't
know if the receiver needs it. Thus it always has to put it in and you
slow down the fast paths.

e.g. consider

sender sends packet
                                     receiver enables funky option
                                     receiver reads

If it was done lazily you would lose.

Also there are usually various complications with namespaces.

-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-07  1:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-06 23:17 A Plumber’s Wish List for Linux Kay Sievers
2011-10-06 23:46 ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-07  0:13   ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-07  1:57     ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2011-10-07 15:58       ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-19 23:16     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-07  7:49 ` Matt Helsley
2011-10-07 16:01   ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-08  4:24     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-10 16:31       ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-10 20:59         ` Detecting if you are running in a container Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-10 21:41           ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-11  5:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-11  6:54             ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-12 16:59             ` Kay Sievers
2011-11-01 22:05               ` [lxc-devel] " Michael Tokarev
2011-11-01 23:51                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-11-02  8:08                   ` Michael Tokarev
2011-10-11  1:32           ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-11  2:05             ` Matt Helsley
2011-10-11  3:25               ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-11  6:42                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-11 12:53                   ` Theodore Tso
2011-10-11 21:16                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-11 22:30                       ` david
2011-10-12  4:26                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-12  5:10                           ` david
2011-10-12 15:08                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-10-12 17:57                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-10-12 18:25                         ` Kyle Moffett
2011-10-12 19:04                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-10-12 19:12                             ` Kyle Moffett
2011-10-14 15:54                               ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-14 18:04                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-14 21:58                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-16  9:42                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-30 20:11                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-11-01 13:38                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-11 22:25               ` david
2011-10-07 10:12 ` A Plumber’s Wish List for Linux Alan Cox
2011-10-07 10:28   ` Kay Sievers
2011-10-07 10:38     ` Alan Cox
2011-10-07 12:46       ` Kay Sievers
2011-10-07 13:39         ` Theodore Tso
2011-10-07 15:21         ` Hugo Mills
2011-10-10 11:18           ` A Plumber???s " David Sterba
2011-10-10 11:18             ` David Sterba
2011-10-10 13:09             ` Theodore Tso
2011-10-13  0:28               ` Dave Chinner
2011-10-14 15:47                 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-11 13:14             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-10-11 15:49               ` Andrew G. Morgan
2011-10-12  2:31                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-10-12 20:51                 ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-08  9:53         ` A Plumber’s " Bastien ROUCARIES
2011-10-09  3:15           ` Alex Elsayed
2011-10-07 16:07       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-07 12:35 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-10-07 18:59 ` Greg KH
2011-10-09 12:20   ` Kay Sievers
2011-10-09  8:45 ` Rusty Russell
2011-10-11 23:16 ` Andrew Morton
2011-10-12  0:53   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-10-12  0:59   ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]     ` <20111012174014.GE6281@google.com>
2011-10-12 18:16       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-10-14 15:38         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-10-14 16:01           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-10-14 16:08             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-10-14 16:19               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-10-19 21:19           ` Paul Menage
2011-10-19 21:12 ` Paul Menage
2011-10-19 23:03   ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-19 23:09     ` Paul Menage
2011-10-19 23:31       ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-22 10:21         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-10-22 15:28           ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-25  5:40             ` Li Zefan
2011-10-30 17:18               ` Lennart Poettering
2011-11-01  1:27                 ` Li Zefan
     [not found] <CAE2SPAZci=u__d58phePCftVr_e+i+N2YU-JYjGDG_b3TmYTSQ@mail.gmail.com>
2011-10-07 13:40 ` Alan Cox
2011-10-07 14:57   ` Alexander E. Patrakov

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