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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: david@lang.hm
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>, Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
	Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, harald@redhat.com, david@fubar.dk,
	greg@kroah.com, Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
	Linux Containers <lxc-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@free.fr>,
	Paul Menage <paul@paulmenage.org>
Subject: Re: Detecting if you are running in a container
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:08:47 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111012150847.GA21061@hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1110112208230.12310@asgard.lang.hm>

Quoting david@lang.hm (david@lang.hm):
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> 
> >david@lang.hm writes:
> >
> >>On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >>
> >>>Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU> writes:
> >>>
> >>>>On Oct 11, 2011, at 2:42 AM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>I admit for a lot of test cases that it makes sense not to use a full
> >>>set of userspace daemons.  At the same time there is not particularly
> >>>good reason to have a design that doesn't allow you to run a full
> >>>userspace.
> >>
> >>how do you share the display between all the different containers if they are
> >>trying to run the X server?
> >
> >Either X does not start because the hardware it needs is not present or
> >Xnest or similar gets started.
> >
> >>how do you avoid all the containers binding to the same port on the default IP
> >>address?
> >
> >Network namespaces.
> >
> >>how do you arbitrate dbus across the containers.
> >
> >Why should you?
> 
> because the containers are simulating different machines, and dbus
> doesn't work arcross different machines.

Exactly - Eric is saying dbus should not be (and is not) shared among
containers.

> >>when a new USB device gets plugged in, which container gets control of
> >>it?
> >
> >None of them.  Although today they may all get the uevent.  None of the
> >containers should have permission to call mknod to mess with it.
> 
> why would the software inside a container not have the rights to do
> a mknod inside the container?

Why shouldn't an unprivileged user be allowed to mknod on the host?

-serge

  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-12 15:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-06 23:17 A Plumber’s Wish List for Linux Kay Sievers
2011-10-06 23:46 ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-07  0:13   ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-07  1:57     ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-07 15:58       ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-19 23:16     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-07  7:49 ` Matt Helsley
2011-10-07 16:01   ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-08  4:24     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-10 16:31       ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-10 20:59         ` Detecting if you are running in a container Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-10 21:41           ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-11  5:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-11  6:54             ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-12 16:59             ` Kay Sievers
2011-11-01 22:05               ` [lxc-devel] " Michael Tokarev
2011-11-01 23:51                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-11-02  8:08                   ` Michael Tokarev
2011-10-11  1:32           ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-11  2:05             ` Matt Helsley
2011-10-11  3:25               ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-11  6:42                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-11 12:53                   ` Theodore Tso
2011-10-11 21:16                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-11 22:30                       ` david
2011-10-12  4:26                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-12  5:10                           ` david
2011-10-12 15:08                             ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2011-10-12 17:57                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-10-12 18:25                         ` Kyle Moffett
2011-10-12 19:04                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-10-12 19:12                             ` Kyle Moffett
2011-10-14 15:54                               ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-14 18:04                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-14 21:58                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-16  9:42                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-30 20:11                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-11-01 13:38                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-11 22:25               ` david
2011-10-07 10:12 ` A Plumber’s Wish List for Linux Alan Cox
2011-10-07 10:28   ` Kay Sievers
2011-10-07 10:38     ` Alan Cox
2011-10-07 12:46       ` Kay Sievers
2011-10-07 13:39         ` Theodore Tso
2011-10-07 15:21         ` Hugo Mills
2011-10-10 11:18           ` A Plumber???s " David Sterba
2011-10-10 11:18             ` David Sterba
2011-10-10 13:09             ` Theodore Tso
2011-10-13  0:28               ` Dave Chinner
2011-10-14 15:47                 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-11 13:14             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-10-11 15:49               ` Andrew G. Morgan
2011-10-12  2:31                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-10-12 20:51                 ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-08  9:53         ` A Plumber’s " Bastien ROUCARIES
2011-10-09  3:15           ` Alex Elsayed
2011-10-07 16:07       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-07 12:35 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-10-07 18:59 ` Greg KH
2011-10-09 12:20   ` Kay Sievers
2011-10-09  8:45 ` Rusty Russell
2011-10-11 23:16 ` Andrew Morton
2011-10-12  0:53   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-10-12  0:59   ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]     ` <20111012174014.GE6281@google.com>
2011-10-12 18:16       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-10-14 15:38         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-10-14 16:01           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-10-14 16:08             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-10-14 16:19               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-10-19 21:19           ` Paul Menage
2011-10-19 21:12 ` Paul Menage
2011-10-19 23:03   ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-19 23:09     ` Paul Menage
2011-10-19 23:31       ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-22 10:21         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-10-22 15:28           ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-25  5:40             ` Li Zefan
2011-10-30 17:18               ` Lennart Poettering
2011-11-01  1:27                 ` Li Zefan

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