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From: Al Viro <viro-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
To: Linus Torvalds
	<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	Dave Hansen <haveblue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Andy Whitcroft <apw-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
	sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] fix devpts mount behavior
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:26:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120124002620.GI23916@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFz9ofF+Ey8VCDS8UEf2XSw36kj2RhkHfFScuzLXMeNrkA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 04:13:49PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Serge Hallyn
> <serge.hallyn-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> > I've been playing for the last week with ways to fix this, and in the
> > end I can see two ways.
> 
> How about a third way:
> 
>  - make "newinstance" mandatory (and "-o newinstance" is a no-op) and
> forget about the whole issue.
> 
>  - if you really want to remount the old global one, you have to use a
> bind mount of that original mount instead.
> 
> There may be some subtle reason why the above is totally broken and
> just fundamnetally wouldn't work, and breaks all existing setups, but
> maybe it's worth at least discussing as an option?

Hell knows...  That's certainly what I would have prefered, but I wonder
about existing practices along the lines of "mount it in chroot jail
from inside that jail" (as opposed to mount --bind /dev/pts /jail/dev/pts
while preparing it).

Posted patch is too ugly to live and as for the new kind of namespace...
yuck.  We already have far too many :-/

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
	sukadev@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>,
	Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] fix devpts mount behavior
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:26:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120124002620.GI23916@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFz9ofF+Ey8VCDS8UEf2XSw36kj2RhkHfFScuzLXMeNrkA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 04:13:49PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Serge Hallyn
> <serge.hallyn@canonical.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've been playing for the last week with ways to fix this, and in the
> > end I can see two ways.
> 
> How about a third way:
> 
>  - make "newinstance" mandatory (and "-o newinstance" is a no-op) and
> forget about the whole issue.
> 
>  - if you really want to remount the old global one, you have to use a
> bind mount of that original mount instead.
> 
> There may be some subtle reason why the above is totally broken and
> just fundamnetally wouldn't work, and breaks all existing setups, but
> maybe it's worth at least discussing as an option?

Hell knows...  That's certainly what I would have prefered, but I wonder
about existing practices along the lines of "mount it in chroot jail
from inside that jail" (as opposed to mount --bind /dev/pts /jail/dev/pts
while preparing it).

Posted patch is too ugly to live and as for the new kind of namespace...
yuck.  We already have far too many :-/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-01-24  0:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-24  0:05 [RFC] fix devpts mount behavior Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24  0:05 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24  0:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-24  0:13   ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]   ` <CA+55aFz9ofF+Ey8VCDS8UEf2XSw36kj2RhkHfFScuzLXMeNrkA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24  0:25     ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24  0:25       ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24  0:41       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-24  0:41         ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]         ` <CA+55aFzwOU137V6wtyBjessx05NJo2G4KV0rvTKWvC79A+o9iQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24  1:07           ` Al Viro
2012-01-24  1:07             ` Al Viro
     [not found]             ` <20120124010758.GJ23916-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 18:21               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 18:21                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20120124182116.GA11715-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 20:16                   ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2012-01-24 20:16                 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                   ` <20120124201600.GB20039-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 20:53                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 20:53                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 20:24               ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-24 20:24                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <m1k44gj1cu.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 22:02                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 22:02                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20120124220247.GA26353-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 22:54                       ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-24 22:54                         ` Kay Sievers
     [not found]                         ` <CAPXgP13_gczQmG_USAp0p2AuTfxkzAvzHvjbZY_rbbLH-4rDyg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 23:16                           ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 23:16                             ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 23:25                             ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2012-01-24 23:25                               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                               ` <20120124232502.GA22218-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 23:29                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 23:29                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 23:27                             ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-24 23:27                               ` Kay Sievers
     [not found]                               ` <CAPXgP12REAwmDORzdGJhsxZKU8nhiauCxoVdKa8Eifw4MWWtgA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-28 19:51                                 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-28 19:51                                   ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-28 20:52                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-28 20:52                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                     ` <m139azpn2n.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-28 21:32                                       ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-28 21:32                                         ` Kay Sievers
2012-09-23  3:47                                   ` [PATCH 0/4] devpts: " Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23  3:47                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                     ` <87txup763i.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23  3:48                                       ` [PATCH 1/4] devpts: Remove CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23  3:48                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23  3:49                                       ` [PATCH 2/4] devpts: Set the default permissions of /dev/pts/ptmx and /dev/ptmx to 0666 Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23  3:49                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23  3:50                                       ` [PATCH 3/4] devpts: Make the newinstance option historical Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23  3:50                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                         ` <87d31d75yj.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23  4:19                                           ` Al Viro
2012-09-23  4:19                                         ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                           ` <20120923041906.GM13973-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23  4:46                                             ` Al Viro
2012-09-23  4:46                                               ` Al Viro
2012-09-23  5:59                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23  5:59                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                               ` <87bogx5lg7.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23  6:30                                                 ` Al Viro
2012-09-23  6:30                                                   ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                                   ` <20120923063038.GO13973-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23  6:34                                                     ` Al Viro
2012-09-23  6:34                                                       ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                                       ` <20120923063445.GA26640-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23  7:00                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23  7:00                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23  3:51                                       ` [PATCH 4/4] devpts: Update the documentation Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23  3:51                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 16:48                                       ` [PATCH 0/4] devpts: fix devpts mount behavior H. Peter Anvin
2012-09-23 16:48                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                         ` <505F3D48.7080103-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 17:42                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 17:42                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                             ` <87txuo3abb.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 17:44                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-09-23 17:44                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-01-24 23:35                       ` [RFC] " Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-24 23:35                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-24 20:55           ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2012-01-24 20:55             ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]             ` <20120124205502.GC20039-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 21:19               ` Nick Bowler
2012-01-24 21:19                 ` Nick Bowler
2012-01-24  0:26     ` Al Viro [this message]
2012-01-24  0:26       ` Al Viro

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