From: Sukadev Bhattiprolu <sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Linus Torvalds
<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
Dave Hansen <haveblue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Al Viro <viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>,
Andy Whitcroft <apw-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] fix devpts mount behavior
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:55:02 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120124205502.GC20039@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzwOU137V6wtyBjessx05NJo2G4KV0rvTKWvC79A+o9iQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
Linus Torvalds [torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org] wrote:
| On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Serge Hallyn
| <serge.hallyn-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
| >
| > The only place that *might* be a problem is if initramsfs does a devpts
| > mount, and later init blindly mounts tmpfs on /dev and mounts a new
| > devpts. But it seems unlikely there would be any open pty's so it
| > shouldn't really matter.
|
| Right. I think the opportunity for problems should be pretty small.
|
| And it's not like the pty itself wouldn't continue to work - it's just
| that programs like /usr/bin/tty wouldn't be able to *find* it.
|
| Although who knows - maybe there is some other subtle interaction.
|
| > I could go ahead and test that, say, ubuntu and fedora systems boot fine
| > with this change. But of course I can't be sure there is no userspace
| > out there that won't cope...
|
| I think the only way is to try it out.
|
| If you can test a few distros and at least validate that the approach
| isn't *totally* broken, I'll apply it. It's early days in the -rc
| series yet, and this does seem to be one of those things that we'd be
| better off trying to do early rather than delay.
Yes, hopefully the new distros can cope with 'newinstance' as the default
and ones that can't can live with CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES=n.
Sukadev
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From: Sukadev Bhattiprolu <sukadev@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] fix devpts mount behavior
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:55:02 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120124205502.GC20039@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzwOU137V6wtyBjessx05NJo2G4KV0rvTKWvC79A+o9iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Linus Torvalds [torvalds@linux-foundation.org] wrote:
| On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Serge Hallyn
| <serge.hallyn@canonical.com> wrote:
| >
| > The only place that *might* be a problem is if initramsfs does a devpts
| > mount, and later init blindly mounts tmpfs on /dev and mounts a new
| > devpts. But it seems unlikely there would be any open pty's so it
| > shouldn't really matter.
|
| Right. I think the opportunity for problems should be pretty small.
|
| And it's not like the pty itself wouldn't continue to work - it's just
| that programs like /usr/bin/tty wouldn't be able to *find* it.
|
| Although who knows - maybe there is some other subtle interaction.
|
| > I could go ahead and test that, say, ubuntu and fedora systems boot fine
| > with this change. But of course I can't be sure there is no userspace
| > out there that won't cope...
|
| I think the only way is to try it out.
|
| If you can test a few distros and at least validate that the approach
| isn't *totally* broken, I'll apply it. It's early days in the -rc
| series yet, and this does seem to be one of those things that we'd be
| better off trying to do early rather than delay.
Yes, hopefully the new distros can cope with 'newinstance' as the default
and ones that can't can live with CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES=n.
Sukadev
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-01-24 20:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-01-24 0:05 [RFC] fix devpts mount behavior Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 0:05 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 0:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-24 0:13 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <CA+55aFz9ofF+Ey8VCDS8UEf2XSw36kj2RhkHfFScuzLXMeNrkA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 0:25 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 0:25 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 0:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-24 0:41 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <CA+55aFzwOU137V6wtyBjessx05NJo2G4KV0rvTKWvC79A+o9iQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 1:07 ` Al Viro
2012-01-24 1:07 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <20120124010758.GJ23916-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 18:21 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 18:21 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20120124182116.GA11715-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 20:16 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2012-01-24 20:16 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
[not found] ` <20120124201600.GB20039-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 20:53 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 20:53 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 20:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-24 20:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1k44gj1cu.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 22:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 22:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20120124220247.GA26353-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 22:54 ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-24 22:54 ` Kay Sievers
[not found] ` <CAPXgP13_gczQmG_USAp0p2AuTfxkzAvzHvjbZY_rbbLH-4rDyg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 23:16 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 23:16 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 23:25 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2012-01-24 23:25 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
[not found] ` <20120124232502.GA22218-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 23:29 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 23:29 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 23:27 ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-24 23:27 ` Kay Sievers
[not found] ` <CAPXgP12REAwmDORzdGJhsxZKU8nhiauCxoVdKa8Eifw4MWWtgA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-28 19:51 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-28 19:51 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-28 20:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-28 20:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m139azpn2n.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-28 21:32 ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-28 21:32 ` Kay Sievers
2012-09-23 3:47 ` [PATCH 0/4] devpts: " Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87txup763i.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 3:48 ` [PATCH 1/4] devpts: Remove CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:49 ` [PATCH 2/4] devpts: Set the default permissions of /dev/pts/ptmx and /dev/ptmx to 0666 Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:50 ` [PATCH 3/4] devpts: Make the newinstance option historical Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 4:19 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <20120923041906.GM13973-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 4:46 ` Al Viro
2012-09-23 4:46 ` Al Viro
2012-09-23 5:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 5:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87bogx5lg7.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 6:30 ` Al Viro
2012-09-23 6:30 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <20120923063038.GO13973-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 6:34 ` Al Viro
2012-09-23 6:34 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <20120923063445.GA26640-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 7:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 7:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87d31d75yj.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 4:19 ` Al Viro
2012-09-23 3:51 ` [PATCH 4/4] devpts: Update the documentation Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 16:48 ` [PATCH 0/4] devpts: fix devpts mount behavior H. Peter Anvin
2012-09-23 16:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <505F3D48.7080103-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 17:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 17:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87txuo3abb.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 17:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-09-23 17:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-01-24 23:35 ` [RFC] " Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-24 23:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-24 20:55 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu [this message]
2012-01-24 20:55 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
[not found] ` <20120124205502.GC20039-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 21:19 ` Nick Bowler
2012-01-24 21:19 ` Nick Bowler
2012-01-24 0:26 ` Al Viro
2012-01-24 0:26 ` Al Viro
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