From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Sukadev Bhattiprolu
<sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
Dave Hansen <haveblue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Al Viro <viro-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>,
Andy Whitcroft <apw-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
Linus Torvalds
<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] fix devpts mount behavior
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:53:45 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120124205345.GA4861@hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120124201600.GB20039-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Quoting Sukadev Bhattiprolu (sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org):
> Serge Hallyn [serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org] wrote:
> | Quoting Al Viro (viro-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org):
> | > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 04:41:25PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> | >
> | > > Right. I think the opportunity for problems should be pretty small.
> | > >
> | > > And it's not like the pty itself wouldn't continue to work - it's just
> | > > that programs like /usr/bin/tty wouldn't be able to *find* it.
> | > >
> | > > Although who knows - maybe there is some other subtle interaction.
> | >
> | > FWIW, the subtle and nasty part in all that is that you can mknod /dev/ptmx
> | > and it *will* work, refering to the "initial" instance. That's what
> | > concerns me about the chroot scenarios -
> | > mknod /jail/dev/ptmx c 5 2
> | > mkdir /jail/dev/pts
> | > mount -t devpts /jail/dev/pts
> | > chroot /jail
> | > works fine right now, but with that change behaviour will be all wrong -
> | > opening /dev/ptmx inside of jail will grab you a pts, all right, but
> | > it will *not* show up in (jail) /dev/pts/* as it does with the current
> | > kernel.
> | >
> | > Note that if you replace that mknod with symlink pts/ptmx /jail/dev/ptmx
> | > the things will keep working. However, that will _only_ work for kernels
> | > with DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES - without it you won't get ptmx inside
> | > devpts (which is arguably wrong, BTW)
> |
> | Should /dev/pts/ptmx be created for DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES=n?
>
> With DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES=n, there is only _one_ (global) instance
> right ? Why would we need a 'pts/ptmx' node ? To keep the symlink (i.e
> user space scripts) valid for both single and multiple instance cases ?
Exactly
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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: Sukadev Bhattiprolu <sukadev@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] fix devpts mount behavior
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:53:45 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120124205345.GA4861@hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120124201600.GB20039@us.ibm.com>
Quoting Sukadev Bhattiprolu (sukadev@linux.vnet.ibm.com):
> Serge Hallyn [serge@hallyn.com] wrote:
> | Quoting Al Viro (viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk):
> | > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 04:41:25PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> | >
> | > > Right. I think the opportunity for problems should be pretty small.
> | > >
> | > > And it's not like the pty itself wouldn't continue to work - it's just
> | > > that programs like /usr/bin/tty wouldn't be able to *find* it.
> | > >
> | > > Although who knows - maybe there is some other subtle interaction.
> | >
> | > FWIW, the subtle and nasty part in all that is that you can mknod /dev/ptmx
> | > and it *will* work, refering to the "initial" instance. That's what
> | > concerns me about the chroot scenarios -
> | > mknod /jail/dev/ptmx c 5 2
> | > mkdir /jail/dev/pts
> | > mount -t devpts /jail/dev/pts
> | > chroot /jail
> | > works fine right now, but with that change behaviour will be all wrong -
> | > opening /dev/ptmx inside of jail will grab you a pts, all right, but
> | > it will *not* show up in (jail) /dev/pts/* as it does with the current
> | > kernel.
> | >
> | > Note that if you replace that mknod with symlink pts/ptmx /jail/dev/ptmx
> | > the things will keep working. However, that will _only_ work for kernels
> | > with DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES - without it you won't get ptmx inside
> | > devpts (which is arguably wrong, BTW)
> |
> | Should /dev/pts/ptmx be created for DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES=n?
>
> With DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES=n, there is only _one_ (global) instance
> right ? Why would we need a 'pts/ptmx' node ? To keep the symlink (i.e
> user space scripts) valid for both single and multiple instance cases ?
Exactly
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-01-24 20:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-01-24 0:05 [RFC] fix devpts mount behavior Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 0:05 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 0:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-24 0:13 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <CA+55aFz9ofF+Ey8VCDS8UEf2XSw36kj2RhkHfFScuzLXMeNrkA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 0:25 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 0:25 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 0:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-24 0:41 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <CA+55aFzwOU137V6wtyBjessx05NJo2G4KV0rvTKWvC79A+o9iQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 1:07 ` Al Viro
2012-01-24 1:07 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <20120124010758.GJ23916-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 18:21 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 18:21 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 20:16 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
[not found] ` <20120124201600.GB20039-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 20:53 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2012-01-24 20:53 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20120124182116.GA11715-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 20:16 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2012-01-24 20:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-24 20:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1k44gj1cu.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 22:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 22:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20120124220247.GA26353-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 22:54 ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-24 22:54 ` Kay Sievers
[not found] ` <CAPXgP13_gczQmG_USAp0p2AuTfxkzAvzHvjbZY_rbbLH-4rDyg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 23:16 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 23:16 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-24 23:25 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2012-01-24 23:25 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
[not found] ` <20120124232502.GA22218-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 23:29 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 23:29 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-01-24 23:27 ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-24 23:27 ` Kay Sievers
[not found] ` <CAPXgP12REAwmDORzdGJhsxZKU8nhiauCxoVdKa8Eifw4MWWtgA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-28 19:51 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-28 19:51 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-28 20:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-28 20:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m139azpn2n.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-28 21:32 ` Kay Sievers
2012-01-28 21:32 ` Kay Sievers
2012-09-23 3:47 ` [PATCH 0/4] devpts: " Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87txup763i.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 3:48 ` [PATCH 1/4] devpts: Remove CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:49 ` [PATCH 2/4] devpts: Set the default permissions of /dev/pts/ptmx and /dev/ptmx to 0666 Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:50 ` [PATCH 3/4] devpts: Make the newinstance option historical Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 4:19 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <20120923041906.GM13973-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 4:46 ` Al Viro
2012-09-23 4:46 ` Al Viro
2012-09-23 5:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 5:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87bogx5lg7.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 6:30 ` Al Viro
2012-09-23 6:30 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <20120923063038.GO13973-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 6:34 ` Al Viro
2012-09-23 6:34 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <20120923063445.GA26640-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 7:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 7:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87d31d75yj.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 4:19 ` Al Viro
2012-09-23 3:51 ` [PATCH 4/4] devpts: Update the documentation Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 3:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 16:48 ` [PATCH 0/4] devpts: fix devpts mount behavior H. Peter Anvin
2012-09-23 16:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <505F3D48.7080103-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 17:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-23 17:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87txuo3abb.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23 17:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-09-23 17:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-01-24 23:35 ` [RFC] " Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-24 23:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-01-24 20:55 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2012-01-24 20:55 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
[not found] ` <20120124205502.GC20039-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-24 21:19 ` Nick Bowler
2012-01-24 21:19 ` Nick Bowler
2012-01-24 0:26 ` Al Viro
2012-01-24 0:26 ` Al Viro
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