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From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Making ARM multiplatform kernels DT-only?
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 08:54:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201205140854.18335.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201205051317.40357.arnd@arndb.de>

On Saturday 05 May 2012, Arnd Bergmann wrote:

> From the statements made so far, I can see no clear policy that we can
> apply to everyone. My take on this is that for any work I spend on
> multiplatform kernel, I concentrate on the DT-based board files and
> get them to work together first, but leave it up to the individual
> subarch maintainers whether they want to add other board files into
> the mix.

A small update that I already posted as a comment in the lwn article
covering this discussion:

| Over the last week, I've actually tried out building kernels for
| multiple platforms combined to get a better feeling for the remaining
| problems. The result is in the testing/multiplatform branch of
| git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/arm/arm-soc.git and it
| can build arbitrary combinations of four of the five subarchitectures
| that the Linaro organization is most interested in (imx, omap, ux500 and
| vexpress, but not exynos for now). Most other platforms should actually
| be simpler to convert.
| 
| However, this kernel is not yet going to be useful on real hardware
| because I had to disable or add hacks for a number of features (SMP,
| sparseirq, clocks) that are still being worked on, but as soon as one
| oatform has all that work done, we can actually build a kernel with
| everything enabled and run on that particular platform and see what
| else breaks.
|
| Unlike I suggested earlier, this kernel at the moment actually allows
| enabling all the board files including non-DT ones because that was
| easier to do with the Kconfig dependencies, but I found two real technical
| issues that would be solved by making the combined kernel DT-only:
|
| 1. The exynos platform defines static platform devices from files
| shared with five other Samsung platforms that are mutually exclusive
| because the device definitions depend on platform specific compile-time
| constants. Using DT probing we can just drop those static platform device
| definitions and make the conflict go away.
|
| 2. With sparse IRQs, a lot of the hardcoded interrupt numbers in static
| platform device definitions are broken, while the definitions from DT
| still work. Sparse IRQs are currently needed to build multiplatform
| kernels and I expect that requirement to stay.

	Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Kukjin Kim <kgene.kim@samsung.com>,
	linaro-dev@lists.linaro.org, Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>,
	Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
	Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@atmel.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Haojian Zhuang <haojian.zhuang@gmail.com>,
	Deepak Saxena <dsaxena@linaro.org>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>,
	"Russell King - ARM Linux" <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	David Brown <davidb@codeaurora.org>,
	shawn.guo@linaro.org,
	"Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD" <plagnioj@jcrosoft.com>
Subject: Re: Making ARM multiplatform kernels DT-only?
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 08:54:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201205140854.18335.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201205051317.40357.arnd@arndb.de>

On Saturday 05 May 2012, Arnd Bergmann wrote:

> From the statements made so far, I can see no clear policy that we can
> apply to everyone. My take on this is that for any work I spend on
> multiplatform kernel, I concentrate on the DT-based board files and
> get them to work together first, but leave it up to the individual
> subarch maintainers whether they want to add other board files into
> the mix.

A small update that I already posted as a comment in the lwn article
covering this discussion:

| Over the last week, I've actually tried out building kernels for
| multiple platforms combined to get a better feeling for the remaining
| problems. The result is in the testing/multiplatform branch of
| git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/arm/arm-soc.git and it
| can build arbitrary combinations of four of the five subarchitectures
| that the Linaro organization is most interested in (imx, omap, ux500 and
| vexpress, but not exynos for now). Most other platforms should actually
| be simpler to convert.
| 
| However, this kernel is not yet going to be useful on real hardware
| because I had to disable or add hacks for a number of features (SMP,
| sparseirq, clocks) that are still being worked on, but as soon as one
| oatform has all that work done, we can actually build a kernel with
| everything enabled and run on that particular platform and see what
| else breaks.
|
| Unlike I suggested earlier, this kernel at the moment actually allows
| enabling all the board files including non-DT ones because that was
| easier to do with the Kconfig dependencies, but I found two real technical
| issues that would be solved by making the combined kernel DT-only:
|
| 1. The exynos platform defines static platform devices from files
| shared with five other Samsung platforms that are mutually exclusive
| because the device definitions depend on platform specific compile-time
| constants. Using DT probing we can just drop those static platform device
| definitions and make the conflict go away.
|
| 2. With sparse IRQs, a lot of the hardcoded interrupt numbers in static
| platform device definitions are broken, while the definitions from DT
| still work. Sparse IRQs are currently needed to build multiplatform
| kernels and I expect that requirement to stay.

	Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-14  8:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-03 13:50 Making ARM multiplatform kernels DT-only? Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-03 13:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-03 13:45 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-03 13:45   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-03 14:04 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-03 14:04   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-03 13:52   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-03 13:52     ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-04  6:31   ` Deepak Saxena
2012-05-04  6:31     ` Deepak Saxena
2012-05-04  7:27     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04  7:27       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 12:20   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 12:20     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 16:39     ` Rob Herring
2012-05-04 16:39       ` Rob Herring
2012-05-04 16:56       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 16:56         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 16:40         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-04 16:40           ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-04 16:51         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-04 16:51           ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-04 18:56       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 18:56         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-03 14:18 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-03 14:18   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-03 14:23   ` Magnus Damm
2012-05-03 14:23     ` Magnus Damm
2012-05-03 16:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-03 16:27     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04  9:22   ` Arnaud Patard (Rtp)
2012-05-04  9:22     ` Arnaud Patard
2012-05-04 12:34     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 12:34       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-10 10:55   ` Ben Dooks
2012-05-10 10:55     ` Ben Dooks
2012-05-10 11:02     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-10 11:02       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-03 14:46 ` Sascha Hauer
2012-05-03 14:46   ` Sascha Hauer
2012-05-04 16:24   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 16:24     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-05  8:09     ` Sascha Hauer
2012-05-05  8:09       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-05-05 13:17       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-05 13:17         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-14  8:54         ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2012-05-14  8:54           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04  5:38 ` Deepak Saxena
2012-05-04  5:38   ` Deepak Saxena
2012-05-04  7:39   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04  7:39     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 14:20   ` Wookey
2012-05-04 14:20     ` Wookey
2012-05-04 14:35     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 14:35       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 15:17       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 15:17         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 16:05         ` Wookey
2012-05-04 16:05           ` Wookey
2012-05-04 18:49           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 18:49             ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 20:03       ` Linus Walleij
2012-05-04 20:03         ` Linus Walleij
2012-05-04 20:42         ` Christian Robottom Reis
2012-05-04 20:42           ` Christian Robottom Reis
2012-05-04 21:05           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 21:05             ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 22:43         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 22:43           ` Russell King - ARM Linux

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