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From: arnaud.patard@rtp-net.org (Arnaud Patard (Rtp))
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Making ARM multiplatform kernels DT-only?
Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 11:22:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fwbg8fm8.fsf@lebrac.rtp-net.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120503141853.GC897@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (Russell King's message of "Thu, 3 May 2012 15:18:53 +0100")

Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> writes:

Hi,

> On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 01:50:35PM +0000, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> My feeling is that we should just mandate DT booting for multiplatform
>> kernels, because it significantly reduces the combinatorial space
>> at compile time, avoids a lot of legacy board files that we cannot
>> test anyway, reduces the total kernel size and gives an incentive
>> for people to move forward to DT with their existing boards.
>
> On this point, I strongly object, especially as I'm one who uses the
> existing non-DT multiplatform support extensively.  It's really not
> a problem for what you're trying to achieve.
>

Please, don't do this. afaik, the idea was to reduce the numbers of
kernel to deal with. Unfortunately, this kind of restriction would
increase it. Consider orion platforms. This would mean having to deal
with 4 kernels (1 for DT, 1 for orion5x, 1 for kirkwood, 1 for mv78xx0).

Dropping HW support because one wants to encourage people to convert
their board file into DT seems weird. Doing this, imho, should even be
called a regression. The DT conversion won't happen in an eye blink so
non-DT kernels are still something we should take care of.

> I think what you're proposing is a totally artificial restriction.
> There's no problem with a kernel supporting DT and non-DT together.
> We've proven that many many times.  I prove it _every_ night that my
> build and boot system runs - the OMAP LDP boots a multiplatform kernel
> just fine without DT.

I think it's true for imx too. iirc, one can build a single image for
armv4/armv5 and one other for armv6/armv7 without having to use DT.

Regards,
Arnaud

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From: Arnaud Patard (Rtp) <arnaud.patard@rtp-net.org>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Kukjin Kim <kgene.kim@samsung.com>,
	linaro-dev@lists.linaro.org, Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>,
	Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
	Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@atmel.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Haojian Zhuang <haojian.zhuang@gmail.com>,
	Deepak Saxena <dsaxena@linaro.org>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>,
	David Brown <davidb@codeaurora.org>,
	shawn.guo@linaro.org,
	Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD <plagnioj@jcrosoft.com>,
	Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: Making ARM multiplatform kernels DT-only?
Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 11:22:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fwbg8fm8.fsf@lebrac.rtp-net.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120503141853.GC897@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (Russell King's message of "Thu, 3 May 2012 15:18:53 +0100")

Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> writes:

Hi,

> On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 01:50:35PM +0000, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> My feeling is that we should just mandate DT booting for multiplatform
>> kernels, because it significantly reduces the combinatorial space
>> at compile time, avoids a lot of legacy board files that we cannot
>> test anyway, reduces the total kernel size and gives an incentive
>> for people to move forward to DT with their existing boards.
>
> On this point, I strongly object, especially as I'm one who uses the
> existing non-DT multiplatform support extensively.  It's really not
> a problem for what you're trying to achieve.
>

Please, don't do this. afaik, the idea was to reduce the numbers of
kernel to deal with. Unfortunately, this kind of restriction would
increase it. Consider orion platforms. This would mean having to deal
with 4 kernels (1 for DT, 1 for orion5x, 1 for kirkwood, 1 for mv78xx0).

Dropping HW support because one wants to encourage people to convert
their board file into DT seems weird. Doing this, imho, should even be
called a regression. The DT conversion won't happen in an eye blink so
non-DT kernels are still something we should take care of.

> I think what you're proposing is a totally artificial restriction.
> There's no problem with a kernel supporting DT and non-DT together.
> We've proven that many many times.  I prove it _every_ night that my
> build and boot system runs - the OMAP LDP boots a multiplatform kernel
> just fine without DT.

I think it's true for imx too. iirc, one can build a single image for
armv4/armv5 and one other for armv6/armv7 without having to use DT.

Regards,
Arnaud

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-05-04  9:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-03 13:50 Making ARM multiplatform kernels DT-only? Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-03 13:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-03 13:45 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-03 13:45   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-03 14:04 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-03 14:04   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-03 13:52   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-03 13:52     ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-04  6:31   ` Deepak Saxena
2012-05-04  6:31     ` Deepak Saxena
2012-05-04  7:27     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04  7:27       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 12:20   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 12:20     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 16:39     ` Rob Herring
2012-05-04 16:39       ` Rob Herring
2012-05-04 16:56       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 16:56         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 16:40         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-04 16:40           ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-04 16:51         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-04 16:51           ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-05-04 18:56       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 18:56         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-03 14:18 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-03 14:18   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-03 14:23   ` Magnus Damm
2012-05-03 14:23     ` Magnus Damm
2012-05-03 16:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-03 16:27     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04  9:22   ` Arnaud Patard (Rtp) [this message]
2012-05-04  9:22     ` Arnaud Patard
2012-05-04 12:34     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 12:34       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-10 10:55   ` Ben Dooks
2012-05-10 10:55     ` Ben Dooks
2012-05-10 11:02     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-10 11:02       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-03 14:46 ` Sascha Hauer
2012-05-03 14:46   ` Sascha Hauer
2012-05-04 16:24   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 16:24     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-05  8:09     ` Sascha Hauer
2012-05-05  8:09       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-05-05 13:17       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-05 13:17         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-14  8:54         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-14  8:54           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04  5:38 ` Deepak Saxena
2012-05-04  5:38   ` Deepak Saxena
2012-05-04  7:39   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04  7:39     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 14:20   ` Wookey
2012-05-04 14:20     ` Wookey
2012-05-04 14:35     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 14:35       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 15:17       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 15:17         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 16:05         ` Wookey
2012-05-04 16:05           ` Wookey
2012-05-04 18:49           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 18:49             ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 20:03       ` Linus Walleij
2012-05-04 20:03         ` Linus Walleij
2012-05-04 20:42         ` Christian Robottom Reis
2012-05-04 20:42           ` Christian Robottom Reis
2012-05-04 21:05           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 21:05             ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-05-04 22:43         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-04 22:43           ` Russell King - ARM Linux

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