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From: Mike Snitzer <msnitzer@redhat.com>
To: "Lukáš Czerner" <lczerner@redhat.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Spelic <spelic@shiftmail.org>,
	device-mapper development <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: Ext4 and xfs problems in dm-thin on allocation and discard
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:30:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120619133041.GB6811@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1206191519320.21961@dhcp-1-248.brq.redhat.com>

On Tue, Jun 19 2012 at  9:25am -0400,
Lukáš Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> 
> > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:16:49 -0400
> > From: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>
> > To: Lukáš Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com>
> > Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Spelic <spelic@shiftmail.org>,
> >     device-mapper development <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
> >     linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com
> > Subject: Re: Ext4 and xfs problems in dm-thin on allocation and discard
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 19 2012 at  2:32am -0400,
> > Lukáš Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > > So do I understand correctly that even though the discard came
> > > through and thinp took advantage of it it still returns EOPNOTSUPP ?
> > 
> > No, not correct.  Why are you assuming this?  I must be missing
> > something from this discussion that led you there.
> 
> Those two paragraphs led me to that conclusion:
> 
>   That message says the underlying device doesn't support discards
>   (because it is an MD device).  But the thinp device still has discards
>   enabled -- it just won't pass the discards down to the underlying data
>   device.
> 
>   The discards still inform the thin-pool that the corresponding extents
>   are no longer allocated.
> 
> so I am a bit confused now. Why the dm-thin returned EOPNOTSUPP then
> ? Is that because it has been configured to ignore_discard, or it
> actually takes advantage of the discard but underlying device does
> not support it (and no_discard_passdown is not set) so it return
> EOPNOTSUPP ?
> 
> > 
> > > This seems rather suboptimal. IIRC there was a discussion to add an
> > > option to enable/disable sending discard in thinp target down
> > > to the device.
> > > 
> > > So maybe it might be a bit smarter than that and actually
> > > enable/disable discard pass through depending on the underlying
> > > support, so we do not blindly send discard down to the device even
> > > though it does not support it.
> > 
> > Yes, that is what we did.
> > 
> > Discards are enabled my default (including discard passdown), but if the
> > underlying data device doesn't support discards then the discards will
> > not be passed down.
> > 
> > And here are the feature controls that can be provided when loading the
> > thin-pool's DM table:
> > 
> > ignore_discard: disable discard
> > no_discard_passdown: don't pass discards down to the data device
> > 
> > -EOPNOTSUPP is only ever returned if 'ignore_discard' is provided.
> 
> Ok, so in this case 'ignore_discard' has been configured ?

I don't recall Spelic saying anything about EOPNOTSUPP.  So what has
made you zero in on an -EOPNOTSUPP return (which should not be
happening)?
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From: Mike Snitzer <msnitzer@redhat.com>
To: "Lukáš Czerner" <lczerner@redhat.com>
Cc: device-mapper development <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com,
	Spelic <spelic@shiftmail.org>
Subject: Re: Ext4 and xfs problems in dm-thin on allocation and discard
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:30:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120619133041.GB6811@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1206191519320.21961@dhcp-1-248.brq.redhat.com>

On Tue, Jun 19 2012 at  9:25am -0400,
Lukáš Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> 
> > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:16:49 -0400
> > From: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>
> > To: Lukáš Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com>
> > Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Spelic <spelic@shiftmail.org>,
> >     device-mapper development <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
> >     linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com
> > Subject: Re: Ext4 and xfs problems in dm-thin on allocation and discard
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 19 2012 at  2:32am -0400,
> > Lukáš Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > > So do I understand correctly that even though the discard came
> > > through and thinp took advantage of it it still returns EOPNOTSUPP ?
> > 
> > No, not correct.  Why are you assuming this?  I must be missing
> > something from this discussion that led you there.
> 
> Those two paragraphs led me to that conclusion:
> 
>   That message says the underlying device doesn't support discards
>   (because it is an MD device).  But the thinp device still has discards
>   enabled -- it just won't pass the discards down to the underlying data
>   device.
> 
>   The discards still inform the thin-pool that the corresponding extents
>   are no longer allocated.
> 
> so I am a bit confused now. Why the dm-thin returned EOPNOTSUPP then
> ? Is that because it has been configured to ignore_discard, or it
> actually takes advantage of the discard but underlying device does
> not support it (and no_discard_passdown is not set) so it return
> EOPNOTSUPP ?
> 
> > 
> > > This seems rather suboptimal. IIRC there was a discussion to add an
> > > option to enable/disable sending discard in thinp target down
> > > to the device.
> > > 
> > > So maybe it might be a bit smarter than that and actually
> > > enable/disable discard pass through depending on the underlying
> > > support, so we do not blindly send discard down to the device even
> > > though it does not support it.
> > 
> > Yes, that is what we did.
> > 
> > Discards are enabled my default (including discard passdown), but if the
> > underlying data device doesn't support discards then the discards will
> > not be passed down.
> > 
> > And here are the feature controls that can be provided when loading the
> > thin-pool's DM table:
> > 
> > ignore_discard: disable discard
> > no_discard_passdown: don't pass discards down to the data device
> > 
> > -EOPNOTSUPP is only ever returned if 'ignore_discard' is provided.
> 
> Ok, so in this case 'ignore_discard' has been configured ?

I don't recall Spelic saying anything about EOPNOTSUPP.  So what has
made you zero in on an -EOPNOTSUPP return (which should not be
happening)?

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Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-18 21:33 Ext4 and xfs problems in dm-thin on allocation and discard Spelic
2012-06-18 21:33 ` Spelic
2012-06-19  1:57 ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-19  1:57   ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-19  3:12   ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19  3:12     ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19  6:32     ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-06-19  6:32       ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-06-19 11:29       ` Spelic
2012-06-19 11:29         ` Spelic
2012-06-19 12:20         ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-06-19 12:20           ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-06-19 13:34         ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19 13:34           ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19 13:16       ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19 13:16         ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19 13:25         ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-06-19 13:25           ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-06-19 13:30           ` Mike Snitzer [this message]
2012-06-19 13:30             ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19 13:52             ` Spelic
2012-06-19 13:52               ` Spelic
2012-06-19 14:05               ` Eric Sandeen
2012-06-19 14:05                 ` Eric Sandeen
2012-06-19 14:44               ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19 14:44                 ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19 18:48                 ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19 18:48                   ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19 20:06                   ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-19 20:06                     ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-19 20:21                     ` Ted Ts'o
2012-06-19 20:21                       ` Ted Ts'o
2012-06-19 20:39                       ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-19 20:39                         ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-20  9:01                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-06-20  9:01                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-06-19 21:37                     ` Spelic
2012-06-19 21:37                       ` Spelic
2012-06-19 23:12                       ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-19 23:12                         ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-20 12:11   ` Spelic
2012-06-20 12:11     ` Spelic
2012-06-20 22:53     ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-20 22:53       ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-21 17:47       ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-21 17:47         ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-21 23:29         ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-21 23:29           ` Dave Chinner
2012-07-01 14:53         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-01 14:53           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-02 13:00           ` Mike Snitzer
2012-07-02 13:00             ` Mike Snitzer
2012-07-02 13:15             ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-02 13:15               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-06-19 14:09 ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-06-19 14:09   ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-06-19 14:19   ` Ted Ts'o
2012-06-19 14:19     ` Ted Ts'o
2012-06-19 14:23     ` Eric Sandeen
2012-06-19 14:23       ` Eric Sandeen
2012-06-19 14:37     ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-06-19 14:37       ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-06-19 14:43     ` [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2012-06-19 14:43       ` Alasdair G Kergon
2012-06-19 15:28       ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19 15:28         ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19 16:03         ` [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2012-06-19 16:03           ` Alasdair G Kergon
2012-06-19 19:58         ` Ted Ts'o
2012-06-19 19:58           ` Ted Ts'o
2012-06-19 20:44           ` Mike Snitzer
2012-06-19 20:44             ` Mike Snitzer

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