From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Asias He <asias@redhat.com>, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-aio@kvack.org,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] Add vhost-blk support
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:51:43 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120717095143.GD7949@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5005313D.1000300@redhat.com>
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:32:45AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> Il 17/07/2012 11:21, Asias He ha scritto:
> >> It depends. Like vhost-scsi, vhost-blk has the problem of a crippled
> >> feature set: no support for block device formats, non-raw protocols,
> >> etc. This makes it different from vhost-net.
> >
> > Data-plane qemu also has this cripppled feature set problem, no?
>
> Yes, but that is just a proof of concept. We can implement a separate
> I/O thread within the QEMU block layer, and add fast paths that resemble
> data-path QEMU, without limiting the feature set.
>
> > Does user always choose to use block devices format like qcow2? What
> > if they prefer raw image or raw block device?
>
> If they do, the code should hit fast paths and be fast. But it should
> be automatic, without the need for extra knobs. aio=thread vs.
> aio=native is already one knob too much IMHO.
Well one extra knob at qemu level is harmless IMO since
the complexity can be handled by libvirt. For vhost-net
libvirt already enables vhost automatically dependeing on backend
used and I imagine a similar thing can happen here.
> >> So it begs the question, is it going to be used in production, or just a
> >> useful reference tool?
> >
> > This should be decided by user, I can not speak for them. What is wrong
> > with adding one option for user which they can decide?
>
> Having to explain the user about the relative benefits;
This can just be done automatically by libvirt.
> having to
> support the API; having to handle transition from one more thing when
> something better comes out.
>
> Paolo
Well this is true for any code. If the limited featureset which
vhost-blk can accelerate is something many people use, then accelerating
by 5-15% might outweight support costs.
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Asias He <asias@redhat.com>, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-aio@kvack.org,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] Add vhost-blk support
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:51:43 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120717095143.GD7949@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5005313D.1000300@redhat.com>
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:32:45AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> Il 17/07/2012 11:21, Asias He ha scritto:
> >> It depends. Like vhost-scsi, vhost-blk has the problem of a crippled
> >> feature set: no support for block device formats, non-raw protocols,
> >> etc. This makes it different from vhost-net.
> >
> > Data-plane qemu also has this cripppled feature set problem, no?
>
> Yes, but that is just a proof of concept. We can implement a separate
> I/O thread within the QEMU block layer, and add fast paths that resemble
> data-path QEMU, without limiting the feature set.
>
> > Does user always choose to use block devices format like qcow2? What
> > if they prefer raw image or raw block device?
>
> If they do, the code should hit fast paths and be fast. But it should
> be automatic, without the need for extra knobs. aio=thread vs.
> aio=native is already one knob too much IMHO.
Well one extra knob at qemu level is harmless IMO since
the complexity can be handled by libvirt. For vhost-net
libvirt already enables vhost automatically dependeing on backend
used and I imagine a similar thing can happen here.
> >> So it begs the question, is it going to be used in production, or just a
> >> useful reference tool?
> >
> > This should be decided by user, I can not speak for them. What is wrong
> > with adding one option for user which they can decide?
>
> Having to explain the user about the relative benefits;
This can just be done automatically by libvirt.
> having to
> support the API; having to handle transition from one more thing when
> something better comes out.
>
> Paolo
Well this is true for any code. If the limited featureset which
vhost-blk can accelerate is something many people use, then accelerating
by 5-15% might outweight support costs.
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MST
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-07-17 9:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-07-12 15:35 [PATCH 0/5] Add vhost-blk support Asias He
2012-07-12 15:35 ` Asias He
2012-07-12 15:35 ` [PATCH 1/5] aio: Export symbols and struct kiocb_batch for in kernel aio usage Asias He
2012-07-12 15:35 ` Asias He
2012-07-12 17:50 ` James Bottomley
2012-07-13 1:40 ` Asias He
2012-07-13 1:40 ` Asias He
2012-07-13 1:40 ` Asias He
2012-07-12 15:35 ` Asias He
2012-07-12 16:06 ` [PATCH 0/5] Add vhost-blk support Jeff Moyer
2012-07-12 16:06 ` Jeff Moyer
2012-07-12 16:06 ` Jeff Moyer
2012-07-13 1:19 ` Asias He
2012-07-13 1:19 ` Asias He
2012-07-13 1:19 ` Asias He
2012-07-16 11:58 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-16 11:58 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 8:29 ` Asias He
2012-07-17 8:29 ` Asias He
2012-07-17 8:29 ` Asias He
2012-07-17 8:52 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 8:52 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 8:52 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 9:21 ` Asias He
2012-07-17 9:21 ` Asias He
2012-07-17 9:21 ` Asias He
2012-07-17 9:32 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 9:32 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 9:32 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 9:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2012-07-17 9:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 9:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:11 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:11 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:11 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:42 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:42 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:51 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:51 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 12:03 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 12:03 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 12:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 12:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 13:02 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 13:02 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 13:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 13:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 8:47 ` Asias He
2012-07-18 8:47 ` Asias He
2012-07-18 8:47 ` Asias He
2012-07-17 12:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 8:12 ` Asias He
2012-07-18 8:12 ` Asias He
2012-07-18 8:26 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-18 8:26 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-18 8:12 ` Asias He
2012-07-18 9:46 ` Ronen Hod
2012-07-18 9:46 ` Ronen Hod
2012-07-18 9:46 ` Ronen Hod
2012-07-17 9:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 9:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 9:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 10:14 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 10:14 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 10:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 10:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 10:56 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 10:56 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 11:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:36 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:36 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:36 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-16 11:58 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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