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From: Hu Tao <hutao@cn.fujitsu.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Orit Wasserman <owasserm@redhat.com>,
	Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Alex Williamson <alex
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 0/8] pv event interface between host and guest
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 16:46:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130306084658.GA4719@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130303091738.GB23616@redhat.com>

On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 11:17:38AM +0200, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 08:13:10PM +0800, Hu Tao wrote:
> > This series implements a new interface, kvm pv event, to notify host when
> > some events happen in guest. Right now there is one supported event: guest
> > panic.
> > 
> What other event do you have in mind? Is interface generic enough to
> accommodate future, yet unknown, events. It allows to pass only one
> integer specifying even type, what if additional info is needed? My be

guest crash, lockup, or warning.[1] But the first purpose is to do panic
notification(panic event). Since at the point the guest is panicked, I
think it's better to keep the interface as simple as possible.

[1] http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/PVCrashDetection

> stop pretending that device is generic and make it do once thing but do

you mean make the interface just do panic notification?

> it well? For generic even passing interface (whatever it may be needed
> for) much more powerful virtio should be used.
> 
> On implementation itself I do not understand why is this kvm specific.
> The only thing that makes it so is that you hook device initialization
> into guest kvm initialization code, but this is obviously incorrect.
> What stops QEMU tcg or Xen from reusing the same device for the same
> purpose except the artificial limitation in a guest.
> 
> Reading data from a random ioports is not how you discover platform
> devices in 21 century (and the data you read from unassigned port is not
> guarantied to be zero, it may depend on QEMU version), you use ACPI for
> that and Marcelo already pointed that to you. Having little knowledge of
> ACPI (we all do) is not a good reason to not doing it. We probably need
> to reserve QEMU specific ACPI Plug and Play hardware ID to define our own

Do we have to request the ID from some orgnazation?

> devices. After that you will be able to create device with _HID(QEMU0001)

QMU0001, I think. EISA ID requires it to have only 3 letters for PNP ID.

> in DSDT that supplies address information (ioport to use) and capability
> supported. Guest uses acpi_get_devices() to discover a platform device by
> its name (QEMU0001).  Then you put the driver for the platform device
> into drivers/platform/x86/ and QEMU/kvm/Xen all will be able to use it.

Thanks for the information!

> 
> On QEMU side of things I cannot comment much on how QOMified the device
> is (it should be), I hope other reviews will verify it, but I noticed
> that device is only initialized for PIIX, what about Q35?
> 
> --
> 			Gleb.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Hu Tao <hutao@cn.fujitsu.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Orit Wasserman <owasserm@redhat.com>,
	Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 0/8] pv event interface between host and guest
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 16:46:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130306084658.GA4719@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130303091738.GB23616@redhat.com>

On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 11:17:38AM +0200, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 08:13:10PM +0800, Hu Tao wrote:
> > This series implements a new interface, kvm pv event, to notify host when
> > some events happen in guest. Right now there is one supported event: guest
> > panic.
> > 
> What other event do you have in mind? Is interface generic enough to
> accommodate future, yet unknown, events. It allows to pass only one
> integer specifying even type, what if additional info is needed? My be

guest crash, lockup, or warning.[1] But the first purpose is to do panic
notification(panic event). Since at the point the guest is panicked, I
think it's better to keep the interface as simple as possible.

[1] http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/PVCrashDetection

> stop pretending that device is generic and make it do once thing but do

you mean make the interface just do panic notification?

> it well? For generic even passing interface (whatever it may be needed
> for) much more powerful virtio should be used.
> 
> On implementation itself I do not understand why is this kvm specific.
> The only thing that makes it so is that you hook device initialization
> into guest kvm initialization code, but this is obviously incorrect.
> What stops QEMU tcg or Xen from reusing the same device for the same
> purpose except the artificial limitation in a guest.
> 
> Reading data from a random ioports is not how you discover platform
> devices in 21 century (and the data you read from unassigned port is not
> guarantied to be zero, it may depend on QEMU version), you use ACPI for
> that and Marcelo already pointed that to you. Having little knowledge of
> ACPI (we all do) is not a good reason to not doing it. We probably need
> to reserve QEMU specific ACPI Plug and Play hardware ID to define our own

Do we have to request the ID from some orgnazation?

> devices. After that you will be able to create device with _HID(QEMU0001)

QMU0001, I think. EISA ID requires it to have only 3 letters for PNP ID.

> in DSDT that supplies address information (ioport to use) and capability
> supported. Guest uses acpi_get_devices() to discover a platform device by
> its name (QEMU0001).  Then you put the driver for the platform device
> into drivers/platform/x86/ and QEMU/kvm/Xen all will be able to use it.

Thanks for the information!

> 
> On QEMU side of things I cannot comment much on how QOMified the device
> is (it should be), I hope other reviews will verify it, but I noticed
> that device is only initialized for PIIX, what about Q35?
> 
> --
> 			Gleb.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Hu Tao <hutao@cn.fujitsu.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	Orit Wasserman <owasserm@redhat.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>, Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v13 0/8] pv event interface between host and guest
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 16:46:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130306084658.GA4719@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130303091738.GB23616@redhat.com>

On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 11:17:38AM +0200, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 08:13:10PM +0800, Hu Tao wrote:
> > This series implements a new interface, kvm pv event, to notify host when
> > some events happen in guest. Right now there is one supported event: guest
> > panic.
> > 
> What other event do you have in mind? Is interface generic enough to
> accommodate future, yet unknown, events. It allows to pass only one
> integer specifying even type, what if additional info is needed? My be

guest crash, lockup, or warning.[1] But the first purpose is to do panic
notification(panic event). Since at the point the guest is panicked, I
think it's better to keep the interface as simple as possible.

[1] http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/PVCrashDetection

> stop pretending that device is generic and make it do once thing but do

you mean make the interface just do panic notification?

> it well? For generic even passing interface (whatever it may be needed
> for) much more powerful virtio should be used.
> 
> On implementation itself I do not understand why is this kvm specific.
> The only thing that makes it so is that you hook device initialization
> into guest kvm initialization code, but this is obviously incorrect.
> What stops QEMU tcg or Xen from reusing the same device for the same
> purpose except the artificial limitation in a guest.
> 
> Reading data from a random ioports is not how you discover platform
> devices in 21 century (and the data you read from unassigned port is not
> guarantied to be zero, it may depend on QEMU version), you use ACPI for
> that and Marcelo already pointed that to you. Having little knowledge of
> ACPI (we all do) is not a good reason to not doing it. We probably need
> to reserve QEMU specific ACPI Plug and Play hardware ID to define our own

Do we have to request the ID from some orgnazation?

> devices. After that you will be able to create device with _HID(QEMU0001)

QMU0001, I think. EISA ID requires it to have only 3 letters for PNP ID.

> in DSDT that supplies address information (ioport to use) and capability
> supported. Guest uses acpi_get_devices() to discover a platform device by
> its name (QEMU0001).  Then you put the driver for the platform device
> into drivers/platform/x86/ and QEMU/kvm/Xen all will be able to use it.

Thanks for the information!

> 
> On QEMU side of things I cannot comment much on how QOMified the device
> is (it should be), I hope other reviews will verify it, but I noticed
> that device is only initialized for PIIX, what about Q35?
> 
> --
> 			Gleb.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-03-06  8:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-28 12:13 [PATCH v13 0/8] pv event interface between host and guest Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13 ` Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13 ` [PATCH v13] kvm: notify host when the guest is panicked Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13   ` Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13 ` [PATCH v13 1/8] save/load cpu runstate Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13   ` Hu Tao
2013-02-28 21:12   ` Eric Blake
2013-02-28 21:12     ` Eric Blake
2013-03-01  7:36     ` Hu Tao
2013-03-01  7:36       ` [Qemu-devel] " Hu Tao
2013-03-01  7:36       ` Hu Tao
2013-03-01 16:29       ` Eric Blake
2013-03-01 16:29         ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Blake
2013-03-01 16:29         ` Eric Blake
2013-03-04  9:30   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04  9:30     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04  9:30     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-05  2:33     ` Hu Tao
2013-03-05  2:33       ` [Qemu-devel] " Hu Tao
2013-03-05  2:33       ` Hu Tao
2013-03-05  8:24       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-05  8:24         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-05  8:24         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-28 12:13 ` [PATCH v13 2/8] start vm after resetting it Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13   ` Hu Tao
2013-02-28 13:23   ` Jan Kiszka
2013-02-28 13:23     ` Jan Kiszka
2013-03-05  3:05     ` Hu Tao
2013-03-05  3:05       ` [Qemu-devel] " Hu Tao
2013-03-05  3:05       ` Hu Tao
2013-03-04  9:32   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04  9:32     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04  9:32     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-05  3:06     ` Hu Tao
2013-03-05  3:06       ` [Qemu-devel] " Hu Tao
2013-03-05  3:06       ` Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13 ` [PATCH v13 3/8] update kernel headers Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13   ` Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13 ` [PATCH v13 4/8] add a new runstate: RUN_STATE_GUEST_PANICKED Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13   ` Hu Tao
2013-03-04  9:40   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04  9:40     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04  9:40     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-05  3:17     ` Hu Tao
2013-03-05  3:17       ` [Qemu-devel] " Hu Tao
2013-03-05  3:17       ` Hu Tao
2013-03-05  8:26       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-05  8:26         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-05  8:26         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-06  9:03         ` Hu Tao
2013-03-06  9:03           ` [Qemu-devel] " Hu Tao
2013-03-06  9:03           ` Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13 ` [PATCH v13 5/8] add a new qevent: QEVENT_GUEST_PANICKED Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13   ` Hu Tao
2013-03-01 16:31   ` Eric Blake
2013-03-01 16:31     ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Blake
2013-03-01 16:31     ` Eric Blake
2013-03-05  3:17     ` Hu Tao
2013-03-05  3:17       ` [Qemu-devel] " Hu Tao
2013-03-05  3:17       ` Hu Tao
2013-03-04  9:40   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04  9:40     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04  9:40     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-28 12:13 ` [PATCH v13 6/8] introduce a new qom device to deal with panicked event Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13   ` Hu Tao
2013-03-04  9:42   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04  9:42     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04  9:42     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 10:10   ` Christian Borntraeger
2013-03-04 10:10     ` [Qemu-devel] " Christian Borntraeger
2013-03-04 10:21     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 10:21       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-28 12:13 ` [PATCH v13 7/8] allower the user to disable pv event support Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13   ` Hu Tao
2013-03-04  9:47   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04  9:47     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04  9:47     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-28 12:13 ` [PATCH v13 8/8] pv event: add document to describe the usage Hu Tao
2013-02-28 12:13   ` Hu Tao
2013-03-03  9:17 ` [PATCH v13 0/8] pv event interface between host and guest Gleb Natapov
2013-03-03  9:17   ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-03-03  9:17   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 10:05   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 10:05     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 10:05     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 10:21     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 10:21       ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 10:21       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 10:28       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 10:28         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 10:43         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 10:43           ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 10:43           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 10:49           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 10:49             ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 10:49             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 10:59             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 10:59               ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 10:59               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 11:10               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 11:10                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 11:10                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 11:20                 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 11:20                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 11:20                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 11:35                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 11:35                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 11:35                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 11:52                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 11:52                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 11:52                       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-04 12:21                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 12:21                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-04 12:21                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-06  8:56     ` Hu Tao
2013-03-06  8:56       ` [Qemu-devel] " Hu Tao
2013-03-06  8:56       ` Hu Tao
2013-03-06  9:07       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-06  9:07         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-06  9:28         ` li guang
2013-03-06  9:28           ` li guang
2013-03-06  9:38         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-06  9:38           ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-03-06  9:38           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-06  9:48           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-06  9:48             ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-06  9:48             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-06  9:59             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-06  9:59               ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-03-06  9:59               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-06  8:46   ` Hu Tao [this message]
2013-03-06  8:46     ` [Qemu-devel] " Hu Tao
2013-03-06  8:46     ` Hu Tao
2013-03-06  9:37     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-06  9:37       ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-03-06  9:37       ` Gleb Natapov

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