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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	x86@kernel.org, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <borislav.petkov@amd.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@intel.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Dan Rosenberg <drosenberg@vsecurity.com>,
	Julien Tinnes <jln@google.com>, Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>,
	Eric Northup <digitaleric@google.com>
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH] x86: make IDT read-only
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:57:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130410095716.GF24443@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877gkc596d.fsf@xmission.com>


* Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:

> "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> writes:
> 
> > On 04/08/2013 03:43 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> >> This makes the IDT unconditionally read-only. This primarily removes
> >> the IDT from being a target for arbitrary memory write attacks. It has
> >> an added benefit of also not leaking (via the "sidt" instruction) the
> >> kernel base offset, if it has been relocated.
> >> 
> >> Signed-off-by: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
> >> Cc: Eric Northup <digitaleric@google.com>
> >
> > Also, tglx: does this interfere with your per-cpu IDT efforts?
> 
> Given that we don't change any IDT entries why would anyone want a
> per-cpu IDT?  The cache lines should easily be shared accross all
> processors.

That's true iif they are cached.

If not then it's a remote DRAM access cache miss for all CPUs except the node that 
holds that memory.

> Or are there some giant NUMA machines that trigger cache misses when accessing 
> the IDT and the penalty for pulling the cache line across the NUMA fabric is 
> prohibitive?

IDT accesses for pure userspace execution are pretty rare. So we are not just 
talking about huge NUMA machines here but about ordinary NUMA machines taking a 
remote cache miss hit for the first IRQ or other IDT-accessing operation they do 
after some cache-intense user-space processing.

It's a small effect, but it exists and improving it would be legitimate.

Thanks,

	Ingo

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Dan Rosenberg <drosenberg@vsecurity.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@intel.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Julien Tinnes <jln@google.com>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <borislav.petkov@amd.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: make IDT read-only
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:57:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130410095716.GF24443@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877gkc596d.fsf@xmission.com>


* Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:

> "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> writes:
> 
> > On 04/08/2013 03:43 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> >> This makes the IDT unconditionally read-only. This primarily removes
> >> the IDT from being a target for arbitrary memory write attacks. It has
> >> an added benefit of also not leaking (via the "sidt" instruction) the
> >> kernel base offset, if it has been relocated.
> >> 
> >> Signed-off-by: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
> >> Cc: Eric Northup <digitaleric@google.com>
> >
> > Also, tglx: does this interfere with your per-cpu IDT efforts?
> 
> Given that we don't change any IDT entries why would anyone want a
> per-cpu IDT?  The cache lines should easily be shared accross all
> processors.

That's true iif they are cached.

If not then it's a remote DRAM access cache miss for all CPUs except the node that 
holds that memory.

> Or are there some giant NUMA machines that trigger cache misses when accessing 
> the IDT and the penalty for pulling the cache line across the NUMA fabric is 
> prohibitive?

IDT accesses for pure userspace execution are pretty rare. So we are not just 
talking about huge NUMA machines here but about ordinary NUMA machines taking a 
remote cache miss hit for the first IRQ or other IDT-accessing operation they do 
after some cache-intense user-space processing.

It's a small effect, but it exists and improving it would be legitimate.

Thanks,

	Ingo

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	x86@kernel.org, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <borislav.petkov@amd.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@intel.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Dan Rosenberg <drosenberg@vsecurity.com>,
	Julien Tinnes <jln@google.com>, Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>,
	Eric Northup <digitaleric@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: make IDT read-only
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:57:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130410095716.GF24443@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877gkc596d.fsf@xmission.com>


* Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:

> "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> writes:
> 
> > On 04/08/2013 03:43 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> >> This makes the IDT unconditionally read-only. This primarily removes
> >> the IDT from being a target for arbitrary memory write attacks. It has
> >> an added benefit of also not leaking (via the "sidt" instruction) the
> >> kernel base offset, if it has been relocated.
> >> 
> >> Signed-off-by: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
> >> Cc: Eric Northup <digitaleric@google.com>
> >
> > Also, tglx: does this interfere with your per-cpu IDT efforts?
> 
> Given that we don't change any IDT entries why would anyone want a
> per-cpu IDT?  The cache lines should easily be shared accross all
> processors.

That's true iif they are cached.

If not then it's a remote DRAM access cache miss for all CPUs except the node that 
holds that memory.

> Or are there some giant NUMA machines that trigger cache misses when accessing 
> the IDT and the penalty for pulling the cache line across the NUMA fabric is 
> prohibitive?

IDT accesses for pure userspace execution are pretty rare. So we are not just 
talking about huge NUMA machines here but about ordinary NUMA machines taking a 
remote cache miss hit for the first IRQ or other IDT-accessing operation they do 
after some cache-intense user-space processing.

It's a small effect, but it exists and improving it would be legitimate.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-10  9:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-08 22:43 [kernel-hardening] [PATCH] x86: make IDT read-only Kees Cook
2013-04-08 22:43 ` Kees Cook
2013-04-08 22:43 ` Kees Cook
2013-04-08 22:47 ` [kernel-hardening] " H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-08 22:47   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-08 22:47   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-08 22:55   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-04-08 22:55     ` Kees Cook
2013-04-08 22:55     ` Kees Cook
2013-04-08 22:48 ` [kernel-hardening] " H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-08 22:48   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-08 22:48   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-09  9:23   ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Gleixner
2013-04-09  9:23     ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-04-09 18:22     ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-04-09 18:22       ` Kees Cook
2013-04-09 18:26       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-09 18:26         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-09 18:31         ` Kees Cook
2013-04-09 18:31           ` Kees Cook
2013-04-09 18:39           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-09 18:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-09 18:46             ` Kees Cook
2013-04-09 18:46               ` Kees Cook
2013-04-09 18:50               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-09 18:50                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-09 18:53                 ` Kees Cook
2013-04-09 18:53                   ` Kees Cook
2013-04-09 18:54               ` Eric Northup
2013-04-09 18:54                 ` Eric Northup
2013-04-09 18:59                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-09 18:59                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10  0:43                 ` [kernel-hardening] Readonly GDT H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10  0:43                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10  0:43                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10  0:53                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Steven Rostedt
2013-04-10  0:53                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-04-10  0:53                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-04-10  0:58                     ` [kernel-hardening] " H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10  0:58                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10  0:58                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10  9:42                   ` [kernel-hardening] Re: [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2013-04-10  9:42                     ` Jan Beulich
2013-04-10  9:42                     ` Jan Beulich
2013-04-10 14:16                     ` [kernel-hardening] " H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10 14:16                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10 14:16                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10 18:28                     ` [kernel-hardening] " H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10 18:28                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10  9:41               ` [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH] x86: make IDT read-only Ingo Molnar
2013-04-10  9:41                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-04-10  0:03       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10  0:03         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10  9:52         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-04-10  9:52           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-04-09  9:23   ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-04-09  9:45   ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2013-04-09  9:45     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-04-09  9:45     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-04-10  9:57     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2013-04-10  9:57       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-04-10  9:57       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-04-10 10:40       ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2013-04-10 10:40         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-04-10 10:40         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-04-10 16:31         ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric Northup
2013-04-10 16:31           ` Eric Northup
2013-04-10 16:31           ` Eric Northup
2013-04-10 16:48           ` [kernel-hardening] " H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10 16:48             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10 16:48             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-08 22:56 ` [kernel-hardening] " Maciej W. Rozycki
2013-04-08 22:56   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2013-04-08 23:00   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-04-08 23:00     ` Kees Cook
2013-04-08 23:00     ` Kees Cook
2013-04-08 23:05   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-04-08 23:05     ` Kees Cook
2013-04-08 23:05     ` Kees Cook
2013-04-08 23:42     ` [kernel-hardening] " Maciej W. Rozycki
2013-04-08 23:42       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2013-04-08 23:42       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2013-04-08 22:56 ` Maciej W. Rozycki

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