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From: Anton Vorontsov <anton@enomsg.org>
To: Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mhocko@suse.cz,
	kmpark@infradead.org, hyunhee.kim@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] vmpressure: implement strict mode
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:45:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130628184547.GA14287@teo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130628142558.5da3d030@redhat.com>

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:25:58PM -0400, Luiz Capitulino wrote:
> > > > That's how it's expected to work, because on strict mode you're notified
> > > > for the level you registered for. So apps registering for critical, will
> > > > still be notified on critical just like before.
> > > 
> > > Suppose you introduce a new level, and the system hits this level. Before,
> > > the app would receive at least some notification for the given memory load
> > > (i.e. one of the old levels), with the new level introduced in the kernel,
> > > the app will receive no events at all.
> 
> That's not true. If an app registered for critical it will still get
> critical notification when the system is at the critical level. Just as it
> always did. No new events will change this.
> 
> With today's semantics though, new events will change when current events
> are triggered. So each new extension will cause applications to have
> different behaviors, in different kernel versions. This looks quite
> undesirable to me.

I'll try to explain it again.

Old behaviour:

low -> event
  x <- but the system is at this unnamed level, between low and med
med
crit


We add a level:

low
low-med <- system at this state, we send an event, but the old app does
           not know about it, so it won't receive *any* notifications. (In
	   older kernels it would receive low level notification
med
crit

You really don't see a problem here?

I see the problem, and I see these solutions:

1. Use current scheme.
2. Add versioning.
3. Never change the levels (how can we know?)

Anton

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From: Anton Vorontsov <anton@enomsg.org>
To: Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mhocko@suse.cz,
	kmpark@infradead.org, hyunhee.kim@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] vmpressure: implement strict mode
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:45:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130628184547.GA14287@teo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130628142558.5da3d030@redhat.com>

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:25:58PM -0400, Luiz Capitulino wrote:
> > > > That's how it's expected to work, because on strict mode you're notified
> > > > for the level you registered for. So apps registering for critical, will
> > > > still be notified on critical just like before.
> > > 
> > > Suppose you introduce a new level, and the system hits this level. Before,
> > > the app would receive at least some notification for the given memory load
> > > (i.e. one of the old levels), with the new level introduced in the kernel,
> > > the app will receive no events at all.
> 
> That's not true. If an app registered for critical it will still get
> critical notification when the system is at the critical level. Just as it
> always did. No new events will change this.
> 
> With today's semantics though, new events will change when current events
> are triggered. So each new extension will cause applications to have
> different behaviors, in different kernel versions. This looks quite
> undesirable to me.

I'll try to explain it again.

Old behaviour:

low -> event
  x <- but the system is at this unnamed level, between low and med
med
crit


We add a level:

low
low-med <- system at this state, we send an event, but the old app does
           not know about it, so it won't receive *any* notifications. (In
	   older kernels it would receive low level notification
med
crit

You really don't see a problem here?

I see the problem, and I see these solutions:

1. Use current scheme.
2. Add versioning.
3. Never change the levels (how can we know?)

Anton

  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-28 18:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-27  3:17 [PATCH v2] vmpressure: implement strict mode Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-27  3:17 ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-27  9:26 ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-27  9:26   ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-27 13:34   ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-27 13:34     ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-27 14:59     ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-27 14:59       ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-27 15:53   ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-27 15:53     ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-27 17:42     ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-27 17:42       ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-27 15:44 ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-27 15:44   ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-27 22:02 ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-27 22:02   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28  0:02   ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-28  0:02     ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-28  0:34     ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28  0:34       ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28  0:58       ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28  0:58         ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28  1:13         ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28  1:13           ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28  4:34           ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28  4:34             ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28  5:07             ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28  5:07               ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 14:00               ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 14:00                 ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 16:57                 ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 16:57                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 17:09                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 17:09                     ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 18:25                     ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 18:25                       ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 18:45                       ` Anton Vorontsov [this message]
2013-06-28 18:45                         ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 18:58                         ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 18:58                           ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 18:45                     ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 18:45                       ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 18:55                       ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 18:55                         ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 19:44                         ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 19:44                           ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-29  0:56                           ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-29  0:56                             ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-07-01  8:22                             ` Hyunhee Kim
2013-07-01  8:22                               ` Hyunhee Kim
2013-07-02  4:32                               ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-07-02  4:32                                 ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-07-02  8:29                                 ` Hyunhee Kim
2013-07-02  8:29                                   ` Hyunhee Kim
2013-07-02 13:29                             ` Michal Hocko
2013-07-02 13:29                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-07-02 14:59                             ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-07-02 14:59                               ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-07-02 17:24                               ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-07-02 17:24                                 ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-07-02 18:38                                 ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-07-02 18:38                                   ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28  5:24             ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28  5:24               ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28 13:43             ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 13:43               ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28  9:04           ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-28  9:04             ` Minchan Kim

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