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From: Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
To: Anton Vorontsov <anton@enomsg.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mhocko@suse.cz,
	kmpark@infradead.org, hyunhee.kim@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] vmpressure: implement strict mode
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 14:38:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130702143822.4af2ebe3@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130702172409.GA13695@teo>

On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 10:24:09 -0700
Anton Vorontsov <anton@enomsg.org> wrote:

> > Honestly, what Andrew suggested is the best design for me: apps
> > are notified on all events but the event name is sent to the application.
> 
> I am fine with this approach (or any other, I'm really indifferent to the
> API itself -- read/netlink/notification per file/whatever for the
> payload),

That's a very good thing because we've managed to agree on something :)

I'm also indifferent to the API, as long as we have 100% of the policy
in user-space. To me this means we do absolutely no filtering in the
kernel, which in turn means user-space gets all the events. Of course,
we need the event name as a payload.

Do we agree this solves all use-cases we have discussed so far?

> except that you still have the similar problem:
> 
>   read() old    read() new
>   --------------------------
>        "low"           "low"
>        "low"           "foo" -- the app does not know what does this mean
>        "med"           "bar" -- ditto

It can just ignore it, have a special handling, log it, fail or whatever.
That's the good of having the policy in user-space.

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From: Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
To: Anton Vorontsov <anton@enomsg.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mhocko@suse.cz,
	kmpark@infradead.org, hyunhee.kim@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] vmpressure: implement strict mode
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 14:38:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130702143822.4af2ebe3@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130702172409.GA13695@teo>

On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 10:24:09 -0700
Anton Vorontsov <anton@enomsg.org> wrote:

> > Honestly, what Andrew suggested is the best design for me: apps
> > are notified on all events but the event name is sent to the application.
> 
> I am fine with this approach (or any other, I'm really indifferent to the
> API itself -- read/netlink/notification per file/whatever for the
> payload),

That's a very good thing because we've managed to agree on something :)

I'm also indifferent to the API, as long as we have 100% of the policy
in user-space. To me this means we do absolutely no filtering in the
kernel, which in turn means user-space gets all the events. Of course,
we need the event name as a payload.

Do we agree this solves all use-cases we have discussed so far?

> except that you still have the similar problem:
> 
>   read() old    read() new
>   --------------------------
>        "low"           "low"
>        "low"           "foo" -- the app does not know what does this mean
>        "med"           "bar" -- ditto

It can just ignore it, have a special handling, log it, fail or whatever.
That's the good of having the policy in user-space.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-02 18:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-27  3:17 [PATCH v2] vmpressure: implement strict mode Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-27  3:17 ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-27  9:26 ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-27  9:26   ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-27 13:34   ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-27 13:34     ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-27 14:59     ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-27 14:59       ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-27 15:53   ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-27 15:53     ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-27 17:42     ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-27 17:42       ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-27 15:44 ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-27 15:44   ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-27 22:02 ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-27 22:02   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28  0:02   ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-28  0:02     ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-28  0:34     ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28  0:34       ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28  0:58       ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28  0:58         ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28  1:13         ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28  1:13           ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28  4:34           ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28  4:34             ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28  5:07             ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28  5:07               ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 14:00               ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 14:00                 ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 16:57                 ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 16:57                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 17:09                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 17:09                     ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 18:25                     ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 18:25                       ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 18:45                       ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 18:45                         ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 18:58                         ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 18:58                           ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 18:45                     ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 18:45                       ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 18:55                       ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 18:55                         ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-28 19:44                         ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 19:44                           ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-29  0:56                           ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-06-29  0:56                             ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-07-01  8:22                             ` Hyunhee Kim
2013-07-01  8:22                               ` Hyunhee Kim
2013-07-02  4:32                               ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-07-02  4:32                                 ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-07-02  8:29                                 ` Hyunhee Kim
2013-07-02  8:29                                   ` Hyunhee Kim
2013-07-02 13:29                             ` Michal Hocko
2013-07-02 13:29                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-07-02 14:59                             ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-07-02 14:59                               ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-07-02 17:24                               ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-07-02 17:24                                 ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-07-02 18:38                                 ` Luiz Capitulino [this message]
2013-07-02 18:38                                   ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28  5:24             ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28  5:24               ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-28 13:43             ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28 13:43               ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-06-28  9:04           ` Minchan Kim
2013-06-28  9:04             ` Minchan Kim

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