From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>
To: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
dave.taht@bufferbloat.net,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] /dev/random: Insufficient of entropy on many architectures
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 17:31:48 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130912213148.GE3809@logfs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <522F984C.2070909@linaro.org>
On Tue, 10 September 2013 15:08:12 -0700, John Stultz wrote:
> Though
> I probably should be hesitant with my suggestions, as I'm not well
> versed in RNG theory.
The basic principle of Ted's RNG is very simple and quite sane:
- You collect as much data as possible, some of which is (hopefully)
unpredictable.
- All the data gets dumped into a small buffer.
- When reading from the buffer, you create a crypto-hash of the entire
buffer. Even if most of the buffer is predictable, the few
unpredictable bits will randomly flip every output bit.
- Half of the hash gets returned to the reader, the other half gets
added back into the pool.
It doesn't matter if you collect predictable data - it neither helps
nor hurts. But you should collect as much unpredictable data as
possible and do it as cheaply as possible. If you want to improve the
RNG, you either collect more data, collect better (less predictable)
data or make the collection cheaper.
Jörn
--
People really ought to be forced to read their code aloud over the phone.
That would rapidly improve the choice of identifiers.
-- Al Viro
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-09-12 23:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-09-10 11:31 [PATCH] /dev/random: Insufficient of entropy on many architectures Stephan Mueller
2013-09-10 11:46 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-09-10 15:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-10 16:54 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-09-10 18:25 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-10 19:15 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-10-10 6:50 ` Pavel Machek
2013-10-14 21:13 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-10 20:48 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-09-10 21:14 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-11 6:49 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-09-12 11:59 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-09-12 12:08 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-09-12 12:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-09-12 12:35 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-09-12 12:47 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-09-12 12:57 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-09-12 21:18 ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-13 11:33 ` Thorsten Glaser
2013-09-12 14:25 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-10 19:38 ` John Stultz
2013-09-10 19:44 ` John Stultz
2013-09-10 19:47 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-09-10 20:35 ` John Stultz
2013-09-10 20:38 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-10 20:46 ` John Stultz
2013-09-10 21:10 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-10 22:08 ` John Stultz
2013-09-10 22:33 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-11 0:31 ` John Stultz
2013-09-11 0:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-11 1:14 ` John Stultz
2013-09-12 20:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-09-12 21:07 ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-12 23:31 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-12 23:35 ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-13 0:00 ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-16 15:40 ` [PATCH,RFC] random: make fast_mix() honor its name Jörn Engel
2013-09-21 21:25 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-21 21:41 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-22 3:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-22 21:01 ` Jörg-Volker Peetz
2013-09-22 21:27 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-22 20:53 ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-22 23:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-23 0:16 ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-23 2:43 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-23 15:02 ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-23 7:39 ` Jörg-Volker Peetz
2013-09-22 20:31 ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-22 20:14 ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-12 21:31 ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2013-09-13 5:36 ` [PATCH] /dev/random: Insufficient of entropy on many architectures Stephan Mueller
2013-09-13 11:54 ` Thorsten Glaser
2013-09-13 19:29 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-13 15:26 ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-13 18:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-15 11:12 ` Stephan Mueller
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