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From: "Jörg-Volker Peetz" <jvpeetz@web.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH,RFC] random: make fast_mix() honor its name
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:01:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <523F5AB6.8070107@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130922030553.GA21422@thunk.org>

Hi Theodore,

Theodore Ts'o wrote, on 09/22/2013 05:05:
> The following fast_mix function, with the loop unrolling, is about 70%
> slower than your proposed version, but it's still four times faster
> than the original byte-based fast_mix function.  This is what I'm
> considering using as a compromise.
> 
> Any comments or objections?
> 
>      					- Ted
> 
> static void fast_mix(struct fast_pool *f, __u32 input[4])
> {
> 	__u32		w;
> 	int i;
> 	unsigned	input_rotate = f->rotate;
> 
> #if 0
> 	for (i = 0; i < 4; i++) {
> 		w = rol32(input[i], input_rotate) ^ f->pool[i] ^
> 			f->pool[(i + 3) & 3];
> 		f->pool[i] = (w >> 3) ^ twist_table[w & 7];
> 		input_rotate = (input_rotate + (i ? 7 : 14)) & 31;
> 	}
> #else   /* loop unrolled for speed */
> 	w = rol32(input[0], input_rotate) ^ f->pool[0] ^ f->pool[3];
> 	f->pool[0] = (w >> 3) ^ twist_table[w & 7];
> 	input_rotate = (input_rotate + 14) & 31;
> 	w = rol32(input[1], input_rotate) ^ f->pool[1] ^ f->pool[0];
> 	f->pool[1] = (w >> 3) ^ twist_table[w & 7];
> 	input_rotate = (input_rotate + 7) & 31;
> 	w = rol32(input[2], input_rotate) ^ f->pool[2] ^ f->pool[1];
> 	f->pool[2] = (w >> 3) ^ twist_table[w & 7];
> 	input_rotate = (input_rotate + 7) & 31;
> 	w = rol32(input[3], input_rotate) ^ f->pool[3] ^ f->pool[2];
> 	f->pool[3] = (w >> 3) ^ twist_table[w & 7];
> 	input_rotate = (input_rotate + 7) & 31;
> #endif
> 	f->count += 16;
> 	f->rotate = input_rotate;
> }
> 

just out of interest I would like to ask why this mixing function has to be that
complicated. For example, even if the input is always 0 and the pool is seeded
with pool[0] = 1 (as in your test program) this algorithm generates some
(predictable) pseudo-random numbers in the pool. Is this necessary?

To just mix in some random input filling the whole pool (seeded again with
pool[0] = 1) something as "simple" as

          f->pool[0] = rol32(input[0], f->pool[2] & 31) ^ f->pool[1];
          f->pool[1] = rol32(input[1], f->pool[3] & 31) ^ f->pool[2];
          f->pool[2] = rol32(input[2], f->pool[0] & 31) ^ f->pool[3];
          f->pool[3] = rol32(input[3], f->pool[1] & 31) ^ f->pool[0];

would suffice, although I didn't do any statistical tests.

Best regards,
Jörg-Volker.
-- 



  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-22 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-10 11:31 [PATCH] /dev/random: Insufficient of entropy on many architectures Stephan Mueller
2013-09-10 11:46 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-09-10 15:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-10 16:54   ` Stephan Mueller
2013-09-10 18:25     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-10 19:15       ` Stephan Mueller
2013-10-10  6:50       ` Pavel Machek
2013-10-14 21:13         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-10 20:48   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-09-10 21:14     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-11  6:49       ` Stephan Mueller
2013-09-12 11:59         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-09-12 12:08           ` Stephan Mueller
2013-09-12 12:15             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-09-12 12:35               ` Stephan Mueller
2013-09-12 12:47                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-09-12 12:57                   ` Stephan Mueller
2013-09-12 21:18               ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-13 11:33             ` Thorsten Glaser
2013-09-12 14:25           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-10 19:38 ` John Stultz
2013-09-10 19:44   ` John Stultz
2013-09-10 19:47   ` Stephan Mueller
2013-09-10 20:35     ` John Stultz
2013-09-10 20:38   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-10 20:46     ` John Stultz
2013-09-10 21:10       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-10 22:08         ` John Stultz
2013-09-10 22:33           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-11  0:31             ` John Stultz
2013-09-11  0:50               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-11  1:14                 ` John Stultz
2013-09-12 20:46                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-09-12 21:07                 ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-12 23:31                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-12 23:35                     ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-13  0:00                       ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-16 15:40                     ` [PATCH,RFC] random: make fast_mix() honor its name Jörn Engel
2013-09-21 21:25                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-21 21:41                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-22  3:05                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-22 21:01                             ` Jörg-Volker Peetz [this message]
2013-09-22 21:27                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-22 20:53                                 ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-22 23:36                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-23  0:16                                     ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-23  2:43                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-23 15:02                                         ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-23  7:39                                 ` Jörg-Volker Peetz
2013-09-22 20:31                           ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-22 20:14                         ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-12 21:31           ` [PATCH] /dev/random: Insufficient of entropy on many architectures Jörn Engel
2013-09-13  5:36             ` Stephan Mueller
2013-09-13 11:54               ` Thorsten Glaser
2013-09-13 19:29                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-13 15:26               ` Jörn Engel
2013-09-13 18:59               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-15 11:12                 ` Stephan Mueller

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