From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
To: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>
Cc: grub-devel@gnu.org, keir@xen.org, david.woodhouse@intel.com,
stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com,
Daniel Kiper <daniel.kiper@oracle.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xen.org,
Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
ross.philipson@citrix.com, boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com,
richard.l.maliszewski@intel.com
Subject: Re: EFI and multiboot2 devlopment work for Xen
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:51:40 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131022145140.GA18679@phenom.dumpdata.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1382451868.18283.21.camel@hastur.hellion.org.uk>
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 03:24:28PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 10:09 -0400, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
>
> > So it can be booted the same way as xen.efi. But my understanding is
> > that folks prefer a bootloader instead of loading the bzImage in an
> > NVRAM of a platform with pre-set parameters. Hence that mechanism
> > is not used by the majority of users.
>
> My understanding is that they prefer a bootloader which can launch Linux
> as a PE/COFF image, i.e. the linuxefi thing.
>
> > Instead the majority of users would like to use a bootloader, like
> > GRUB2. And there are certain restrictions - if you launch from it
> > an PE/COFF application GRUB2 will call ExitBootServices. But if
> > you launch the Linux image (so using the linuxefi), it WILL NOT
> > call ExitBootServices.
>
> "linuxefi" won't call ExitBootServices but it will launch as a PE/COFF
> application not as a "Linux image", that's right isn't it? I think that
> is the whole point of it.
No. The linuxefi will parse the payload and verify that it has the
Linux x86/boot protocol. So any PE/COFF image won't do.
(See grub_cmd_linux in grub-core/loader/i386/efi/linux.c)
If you use 'linux' module, it will call ExitBootService.
If you use 'multiboot' module, it will call ExitBootService too.
So if you don't want to the module to call 'grub_efi_finish_boot_services'
you need to use 'linuxefi' :-)
And I still haven't found the module that can launch any PE/COFF
image from GRUB2. Maybe that is a myth.
>
> The "launch as a Linux image" grub command is called just "linux" (and
> "kernel" may be a synonym).
>
> > But I say that (about ExitBootServices) - and I can't find it in
> > the GRUB2 code, so perhaps I am mistaken.
>
> linuxefi isn't in the upstream grub2 tree -- all the distros are
> carrying it as a patch. So if you are grepping upstream you won't find
> it.
Right, I am looking at Fedora 19's GRUB2 sources.
>
> Ian.
>
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From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
To: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>
Cc: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
ross.philipson@citrix.com, stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com,
grub-devel@gnu.org, david.woodhouse@intel.com,
richard.l.maliszewski@intel.com, xen-devel@lists.xen.org,
boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com,
Daniel Kiper <daniel.kiper@oracle.com>,
Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, keir@xen.org
Subject: Re: EFI and multiboot2 devlopment work for Xen
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:51:40 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131022145140.GA18679@phenom.dumpdata.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1382451868.18283.21.camel@hastur.hellion.org.uk>
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 03:24:28PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 10:09 -0400, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
>
> > So it can be booted the same way as xen.efi. But my understanding is
> > that folks prefer a bootloader instead of loading the bzImage in an
> > NVRAM of a platform with pre-set parameters. Hence that mechanism
> > is not used by the majority of users.
>
> My understanding is that they prefer a bootloader which can launch Linux
> as a PE/COFF image, i.e. the linuxefi thing.
>
> > Instead the majority of users would like to use a bootloader, like
> > GRUB2. And there are certain restrictions - if you launch from it
> > an PE/COFF application GRUB2 will call ExitBootServices. But if
> > you launch the Linux image (so using the linuxefi), it WILL NOT
> > call ExitBootServices.
>
> "linuxefi" won't call ExitBootServices but it will launch as a PE/COFF
> application not as a "Linux image", that's right isn't it? I think that
> is the whole point of it.
No. The linuxefi will parse the payload and verify that it has the
Linux x86/boot protocol. So any PE/COFF image won't do.
(See grub_cmd_linux in grub-core/loader/i386/efi/linux.c)
If you use 'linux' module, it will call ExitBootService.
If you use 'multiboot' module, it will call ExitBootService too.
So if you don't want to the module to call 'grub_efi_finish_boot_services'
you need to use 'linuxefi' :-)
And I still haven't found the module that can launch any PE/COFF
image from GRUB2. Maybe that is a myth.
>
> The "launch as a Linux image" grub command is called just "linux" (and
> "kernel" may be a synonym).
>
> > But I say that (about ExitBootServices) - and I can't find it in
> > the GRUB2 code, so perhaps I am mistaken.
>
> linuxefi isn't in the upstream grub2 tree -- all the distros are
> carrying it as a patch. So if you are grepping upstream you won't find
> it.
Right, I am looking at Fedora 19's GRUB2 sources.
>
> Ian.
>
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2013-10-21 12:57 EFI and multiboot2 devlopment work for Xen Daniel Kiper
2013-10-21 13:36 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-21 13:36 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-21 13:36 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-21 14:23 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-21 14:23 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-21 14:37 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-21 14:37 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-21 18:46 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-21 18:46 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 7:16 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 7:16 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 7:16 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-21 18:46 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-21 14:37 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-21 14:23 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-21 18:39 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-21 18:39 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 7:15 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 7:15 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 7:15 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-21 18:39 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-21 13:54 ` Peter Jones
2013-10-21 13:54 ` Peter Jones
2013-10-21 18:57 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-21 18:57 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-21 18:57 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 9:26 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 9:26 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 9:26 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 9:31 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 9:31 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 9:45 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 9:45 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 9:45 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 9:59 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 9:59 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 9:59 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 13:42 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 13:42 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 13:53 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 13:53 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 13:53 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 14:09 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 14:09 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 14:09 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 14:24 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 14:24 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 14:51 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk [this message]
2013-10-22 14:51 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 14:59 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 14:59 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 14:59 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 15:35 ` Peter Jones
2013-10-22 15:35 ` Peter Jones
2013-10-22 15:35 ` Peter Jones
2013-10-22 15:39 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 15:39 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 15:39 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 16:31 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 16:31 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 16:31 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 14:51 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 15:22 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 15:22 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 15:22 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 16:26 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 16:26 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-23 8:32 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-23 8:32 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell
2013-10-23 8:32 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-23 13:13 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-23 13:13 ` [Xen-devel] " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-23 13:13 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-23 14:07 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-23 14:07 ` [Xen-devel] " Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-23 14:07 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-23 17:13 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2013-10-23 17:13 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2013-10-23 17:13 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2013-10-23 16:17 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-23 16:17 ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2013-10-23 16:17 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-23 16:14 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-23 16:14 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-23 17:01 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-23 17:01 ` [Xen-devel] " Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-23 17:01 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-24 6:53 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-24 6:53 ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2013-10-24 6:53 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-23 16:14 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 16:26 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 14:24 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 14:10 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 14:10 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 14:10 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-22 14:18 ` Woodhouse, David
2013-10-22 14:18 ` Woodhouse, David
2013-10-22 14:57 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 14:57 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 14:57 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 15:21 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 15:21 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 16:24 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 16:24 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 16:24 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 16:27 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 16:27 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 16:27 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 15:21 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 15:23 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 15:23 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 15:23 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 14:18 ` Woodhouse, David
2013-10-22 14:43 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 14:43 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 15:25 ` Woodhouse, David
2013-10-22 15:25 ` Woodhouse, David
2013-10-22 15:25 ` Woodhouse, David
2013-10-22 15:32 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-10-22 15:32 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-10-22 15:32 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-10-22 15:42 ` Woodhouse, David
2013-10-22 15:42 ` Woodhouse, David
2013-10-22 16:01 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 16:01 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 16:08 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 16:08 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 16:14 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 16:14 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 16:14 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 16:25 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 16:25 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 16:31 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 16:31 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 16:31 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 16:25 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 16:38 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 16:38 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 16:38 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 16:08 ` Ian Campbell
2013-10-22 16:24 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 16:24 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 16:24 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 16:36 ` Maliszewski, Richard L
2013-10-22 16:36 ` Maliszewski, Richard L
2013-10-22 16:51 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 16:51 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 16:51 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 17:09 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 17:09 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 17:09 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 17:21 ` Maliszewski, Richard L
2013-10-22 17:21 ` Maliszewski, Richard L
2013-10-22 17:21 ` Maliszewski, Richard L
2013-10-23 7:53 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-23 7:53 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-23 7:53 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 16:01 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 15:42 ` Woodhouse, David
2013-10-22 16:35 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 16:35 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 16:35 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-23 6:49 ` Michael Chang
2013-10-23 6:49 ` Michael Chang
2013-10-23 6:51 ` Michael Chang
2013-10-23 6:51 ` Michael Chang
2013-10-23 6:51 ` Michael Chang
2013-10-23 6:49 ` Michael Chang
2013-10-22 14:43 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-23 6:56 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-23 6:56 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-23 6:56 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-22 13:42 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-22 9:31 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-21 13:54 ` Peter Jones
2013-10-21 20:53 ` Seth Goldberg
2013-10-21 20:53 ` Seth Goldberg
2013-10-21 20:53 ` Seth Goldberg
2013-10-21 21:27 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-21 21:27 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-21 21:27 ` Seth Goldberg
2013-10-21 21:27 ` Seth Goldberg
2013-10-21 21:27 ` Seth Goldberg
2013-10-21 21:27 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-21 21:16 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-21 21:16 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 8:54 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 8:54 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 8:54 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-23 7:05 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-23 7:05 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-23 7:05 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-23 8:28 ` Seth Goldberg
2013-10-23 8:28 ` Seth Goldberg
2013-10-23 8:28 ` Seth Goldberg
2013-10-23 10:43 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-23 10:43 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-23 10:43 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-28 16:26 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-28 16:26 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-28 16:26 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-10-28 18:01 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-28 18:01 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-28 18:01 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-29 8:28 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-29 8:28 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-30 11:19 ` Is: Wrap-up Was: " Daniel Kiper
2013-10-30 11:19 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-30 11:19 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-30 11:38 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-30 11:38 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-30 11:38 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-11-04 20:41 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-04 20:41 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-04 20:41 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-05 19:15 ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-05 19:15 ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-05 19:15 ` Leif Lindholm
2013-10-29 8:28 ` Jan Beulich
2013-10-28 18:42 ` Seth Goldberg
2013-10-28 18:42 ` Seth Goldberg
2013-10-28 18:42 ` Seth Goldberg
2013-10-22 17:12 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2013-10-22 17:12 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2013-10-22 17:12 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2013-10-22 17:20 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 17:20 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-22 17:20 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-23 7:43 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-23 7:43 ` Daniel Kiper
2013-10-23 8:44 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-23 8:44 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-23 8:44 ` Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
2013-10-23 7:43 ` Daniel Kiper
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