From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
Patch Tracking <patches@linaro.org>,
Andreas Tobler <andreast@freebsd.org>,
Anthony Liguori <aliguori@amazon.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH for-1.7] target-i386: Fix build by providing stub kvm_arch_get_supported_cpuid()
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:23:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131112132337.GB2008@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52822958.8060508@redhat.com>
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 02:12:56PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> Il 12/11/2013 13:16, Peter Maydell ha scritto:
> > On 12 November 2013 12:09, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> Il 12/11/2013 12:07, Peter Maydell ha scritto:
> >>> For the compiler to eliminate this we are relying on:
> >>> * dead-code elimination of code following a 'break'
> >>> statement in a case block
> >>> * constant-folding of "something || 1" to 1
> >>> * the compiler having done enough reasoning to be
> >>> sure that env is not NULL
> >>
> >> Yes, it's not trivial, but there are simpler ways to do it.
> >>
> >> For example there is no need to make sure that env is non-NULL, only to
> >> see that "something || 1" is never zero and thus "if (x) y;" is just
> >> "(void)x; y;". This seems easier to me than DCE after "break" which
> >> clang is able to do.
> >
> > You seem to be trying to reason about what the compiler
> > might choose to do or how it might be implemented internally.
>
> I'm not reasoning about that in general (I was in the context of the
> message you quoted).
>
> I'm saying it's *reasonable* to expect that "-O0" means "reduce compile
> time, make debugging produce expected results, and try (not too hard) to
> not break what works at -O2". It's a simple QoI argument based on the
> fact that people *will* switch back and forth between -O2 and -O0. Of
> course not everything can be kept to work, since the compilers do pretty
> surprising optimizations (not counting the ones that break your code of
> course...). But I think a limited amount of dead code elimination
> *should* be expected because most people are now preferring "if" to
> "#ifdef" for compiling out code.
>
> If -O0 does not do that, let's move debug builds to -O1.
>
Why not enable dce with -fdce?
--
Gleb.
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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
Anthony Liguori <aliguori@amazon.com>,
kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
Patch Tracking <patches@linaro.org>,
QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Andreas Tobler <andreast@freebsd.org>,
Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.7] target-i386: Fix build by providing stub kvm_arch_get_supported_cpuid()
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:23:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131112132337.GB2008@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52822958.8060508@redhat.com>
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 02:12:56PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> Il 12/11/2013 13:16, Peter Maydell ha scritto:
> > On 12 November 2013 12:09, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> Il 12/11/2013 12:07, Peter Maydell ha scritto:
> >>> For the compiler to eliminate this we are relying on:
> >>> * dead-code elimination of code following a 'break'
> >>> statement in a case block
> >>> * constant-folding of "something || 1" to 1
> >>> * the compiler having done enough reasoning to be
> >>> sure that env is not NULL
> >>
> >> Yes, it's not trivial, but there are simpler ways to do it.
> >>
> >> For example there is no need to make sure that env is non-NULL, only to
> >> see that "something || 1" is never zero and thus "if (x) y;" is just
> >> "(void)x; y;". This seems easier to me than DCE after "break" which
> >> clang is able to do.
> >
> > You seem to be trying to reason about what the compiler
> > might choose to do or how it might be implemented internally.
>
> I'm not reasoning about that in general (I was in the context of the
> message you quoted).
>
> I'm saying it's *reasonable* to expect that "-O0" means "reduce compile
> time, make debugging produce expected results, and try (not too hard) to
> not break what works at -O2". It's a simple QoI argument based on the
> fact that people *will* switch back and forth between -O2 and -O0. Of
> course not everything can be kept to work, since the compilers do pretty
> surprising optimizations (not counting the ones that break your code of
> course...). But I think a limited amount of dead code elimination
> *should* be expected because most people are now preferring "if" to
> "#ifdef" for compiling out code.
>
> If -O0 does not do that, let's move debug builds to -O1.
>
Why not enable dce with -fdce?
--
Gleb.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-11-12 13:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-11-11 21:22 [PATCH for-1.7] target-i386: Fix build by providing stub kvm_arch_get_supported_cpuid() Peter Maydell
2013-11-11 21:22 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2013-11-11 21:28 ` Andreas Tobler
2013-11-11 21:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Andreas Tobler
2013-11-11 22:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-11 22:19 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-11 22:38 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-11 22:38 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2013-11-11 23:11 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-11 23:11 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-11 23:21 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-11-11 23:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2013-11-12 7:09 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 7:09 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 11:07 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 11:07 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 12:09 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 12:09 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 12:16 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 12:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 13:12 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 13:12 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 13:21 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 13:26 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-12 13:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-11-12 13:23 ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2013-11-12 13:23 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-12 13:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 13:57 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 14:09 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-11-12 14:14 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 14:14 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 14:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 14:57 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 15:13 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 15:13 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 15:21 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 15:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 15:32 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 15:32 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 15:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 15:58 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 16:08 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 16:08 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 17:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-11-12 17:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2013-11-12 17:20 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 17:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 18:54 ` Richard Henderson
2013-11-12 18:54 ` Richard Henderson
2013-11-12 18:57 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 18:57 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 19:15 ` Stefan Weil
2013-11-12 19:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Weil
2013-11-12 22:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-12 22:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-13 2:27 ` Richard Henderson
2013-11-13 2:27 ` Richard Henderson
2013-11-13 7:25 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-13 7:25 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-13 22:23 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-13 22:23 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-13 7:26 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-13 7:26 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-12 14:01 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-12 14:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2013-11-11 23:23 ` Peter Maydell
2013-11-11 23:23 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
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