All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: olof@lixom.net (Olof Johansson)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: ACPI vs DT at runtime
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:48:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131119184827.GD20967@quad.lixom.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131119091216.GA4412@netboy>

[Adding Grant]

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:12:17AM +0100, Richard Cochran wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:13:36AM -0800, Olof Johansson wrote:
> > 
> > I know people have been frustrated that they need to keep the DT in sync with
> > the kernel. But we've always been upfront with the requirement, and why we've
> > been having it. We're now changing this requirement, which should help sort out
> > practically all of the concerns at hand.
> 
> Sorry, but this really gets my goat. When have you been upfront about
> the unstable DT idea?

As I said, from the very beginning. It's why we decided to have the DTS hosted
in the kernel tree as well. The approach has always been "we'll move it out
eventually when things settle down", but that's always been pushed off so far.

This is just a tangent and a distraction anyway: You should know by
now that we've decided to keep backwards compatibility going forward,
so any argument about why we did it differently before is leading nowhere.


-Olof

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Olof Johansson <olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
To: Richard Cochran <richardcochran-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Jon Masters <jonathan-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>,
	devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: ACPI vs DT at runtime
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:48:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131119184827.GD20967@quad.lixom.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131119091216.GA4412@netboy>

[Adding Grant]

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:12:17AM +0100, Richard Cochran wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:13:36AM -0800, Olof Johansson wrote:
> > 
> > I know people have been frustrated that they need to keep the DT in sync with
> > the kernel. But we've always been upfront with the requirement, and why we've
> > been having it. We're now changing this requirement, which should help sort out
> > practically all of the concerns at hand.
> 
> Sorry, but this really gets my goat. When have you been upfront about
> the unstable DT idea?

As I said, from the very beginning. It's why we decided to have the DTS hosted
in the kernel tree as well. The approach has always been "we'll move it out
eventually when things settle down", but that's always been pushed off so far.

This is just a tangent and a distraction anyway: You should know by
now that we've decided to keep backwards compatibility going forward,
so any argument about why we did it differently before is leading nowhere.


-Olof
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe devicetree" in
the body of a message to majordomo-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-19 18:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 186+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-15  1:44 ACPI vs DT at runtime Olof Johansson
2013-11-15  1:44 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15  9:57 ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-15  9:57   ` Mark Rutland
     [not found]   ` <20131115175241. GB27174@quad.lixom.net>
2013-11-15 17:52   ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 17:52     ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 18:08     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-15 18:08       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-15 18:42       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 18:42         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 19:56       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-15 19:56         ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-15 23:21         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-15 23:21           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:05           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 15:05             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 15:19             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:19               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:46               ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 15:46                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 16:11               ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:11                 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:10             ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:10               ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:26               ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:26                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 19:40                 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-21 19:40                   ` Mark Brown
2013-11-21 16:00           ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:00             ` Grant Likely
2013-11-15 18:13     ` David Goodenough
2013-11-21 16:15       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 17:47     ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 17:47       ` Jon Masters
2013-11-19 11:30     ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:30       ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:35       ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:35         ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:51         ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 11:51           ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 11:57       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-19 11:57         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-19 13:56       ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-19 13:56         ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-19 14:38         ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 14:38           ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 14:59           ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 14:59             ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 18:23           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 18:23             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 14:05       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 14:05         ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 15:21         ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 15:21           ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 16:19           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 16:19             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 18:34           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 18:34             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 19:06           ` Tom Rini
2013-11-19 19:06             ` Tom Rini
2013-11-19 18:19       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 18:19         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 16:37         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:37           ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:29       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:29         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 17:01         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 17:01           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 18:38           ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:38             ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 17:58         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 17:58           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 18:19           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 18:19             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 18:33           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:33             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:54           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-21 18:54             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]             ` < CAOesGMgzUSMDy99XojipfRd5OM88UhfbCYO0aoc5m-Q8Fwnddg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]               ` < 20131121190126.GZ16735@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
2013-11-21 18:59             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 18:59               ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 19:01               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-21 19:01                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-21 19:31                 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 19:31                   ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 20:44                   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 20:44                     ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:53         ` Mark Brown
2013-11-21 18:53           ` Mark Brown
2013-11-15 18:28   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-11-15 18:28     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-11-15 18:57     ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-15 18:57       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18  5:19   ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18  5:26     ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 19:25       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 19:25         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 20:43         ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 20:43           ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 21:25           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 21:25             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18  7:22     ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-18 13:55     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-18 15:00     ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 19:13       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 19:13         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19  9:12         ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-19  9:12           ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-19 18:48           ` Olof Johansson [this message]
2013-11-19 18:48             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-20  6:40             ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-20  6:40               ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-21 18:16               ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:16                 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 19:21               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-21 19:21                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-21 20:47                 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 20:47                   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-22 11:43                   ` Catalin Marinas
2013-11-22 11:43                     ` Catalin Marinas
2013-11-22 12:00                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-22 12:00                       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2014-05-05  7:06                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-05  7:06                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-05 14:41                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-05 14:41                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-05 15:29                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-05 15:29                             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-05 17:29                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-05 17:29                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-06 15:37                             ` Grant Likely
2014-05-06 15:37                               ` Grant Likely
2014-05-06 15:27                         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-06 15:27                           ` Grant Likely
2014-05-06 16:32                           ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-06 16:32                             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 15:28     ` Rob Herring
2013-11-18 19:09     ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 19:09       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 20:54       ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 20:54         ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 21:50         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 21:50           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 21:32       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 21:32         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 22:47         ` David Goodenough
2013-11-19 12:48           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 12:48             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 13:34             ` David Goodenough
2013-11-19 16:52               ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:23           ` Grant Likely
2013-11-19 14:33     ` Grant Likely
2013-11-20 13:49   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-20 13:49     ` Grant Likely
2013-11-20 17:43     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-20 17:43       ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-20 17:47       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-20 17:47         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 20:58 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-15 20:58   ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-15 21:44   ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 21:44     ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-17 17:18     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-17 17:18       ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-17 18:10       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-17 18:10         ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]         ` < CAOesGMiYyOcvr3Aqs-p8zc=XDwJM9NZtNxtxrTZssc6F=siZCw@mail.gmail.com>
2013-11-17 22:20         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-17 22:20           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18  8:45           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18  8:45             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 17:33             ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 17:38               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 19:21               ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 19:21                 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 18:26               ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 15:04         ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:04           ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:10           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 15:10             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 21:38             ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 21:38               ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 23:25 ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-18 23:25   ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-18 23:29   ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 23:29     ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 23:34     ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-18 23:34       ` Leif Lindholm

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20131119184827.GD20967@quad.lixom.net \
    --to=olof@lixom.net \
    --cc=linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.