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From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: ACPI vs DT at runtime
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:33:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201311211933.03106.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131121175822.GA9590@quad.lixom.net>

On Thursday 21 November 2013, Olof Johansson wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 04:29:44PM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
>
> > We are pushing a lot of boundaries and doing things on ACPI that have
> > never been done before. SPI, GPIOs, Clocks, Regulators, composite
> > devices, key-value properties. All brand new territory, and the Linux
> > world is driving a lot of it.
> 
> This is a bit of a surprise and a significant concern.
> 
> The whole point behind ACPI is that it's supposed to abstract away nearly
> all of that, and not expose clocks, regulators and other things to
> the kernel. If we're going to expose it, then we might as well go all
> the way and do it with DT.

I think you are talking about different things here: Grant's example was
about embedded x86 adding these so they can reuse the kernel infrastructure
we already have without changing their entire firmware, which I think is
fine, but he also said in the past that we wouldn't have that on PC-style
ARM servers. Other people are pushing for that though (for SoC-style
ARM servers I suppose), as Russell mentioned earlier.

	Arnd

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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
To: Olof Johansson <olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Grant Likely
	<grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	"devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	Rob Herring <robherring2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: ACPI vs DT at runtime
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:33:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201311211933.03106.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131121175822.GA9590-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>

On Thursday 21 November 2013, Olof Johansson wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 04:29:44PM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
>
> > We are pushing a lot of boundaries and doing things on ACPI that have
> > never been done before. SPI, GPIOs, Clocks, Regulators, composite
> > devices, key-value properties. All brand new territory, and the Linux
> > world is driving a lot of it.
> 
> This is a bit of a surprise and a significant concern.
> 
> The whole point behind ACPI is that it's supposed to abstract away nearly
> all of that, and not expose clocks, regulators and other things to
> the kernel. If we're going to expose it, then we might as well go all
> the way and do it with DT.

I think you are talking about different things here: Grant's example was
about embedded x86 adding these so they can reuse the kernel infrastructure
we already have without changing their entire firmware, which I think is
fine, but he also said in the past that we wouldn't have that on PC-style
ARM servers. Other people are pushing for that though (for SoC-style
ARM servers I suppose), as Russell mentioned earlier.

	Arnd
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-21 18:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 186+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-15  1:44 ACPI vs DT at runtime Olof Johansson
2013-11-15  1:44 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15  9:57 ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-15  9:57   ` Mark Rutland
     [not found]   ` <20131115175241. GB27174@quad.lixom.net>
2013-11-15 17:52   ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 17:52     ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 18:08     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-15 18:08       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-15 18:42       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 18:42         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 19:56       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-15 19:56         ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-15 23:21         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-15 23:21           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:05           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 15:05             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 15:19             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:19               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:46               ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 15:46                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 16:11               ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:11                 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:10             ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:10               ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:26               ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:26                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 19:40                 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-21 19:40                   ` Mark Brown
2013-11-21 16:00           ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:00             ` Grant Likely
2013-11-15 18:13     ` David Goodenough
2013-11-21 16:15       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 17:47     ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 17:47       ` Jon Masters
2013-11-19 11:30     ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:30       ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:35       ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:35         ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:51         ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 11:51           ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 11:57       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-19 11:57         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-19 13:56       ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-19 13:56         ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-19 14:38         ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 14:38           ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 14:59           ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 14:59             ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 18:23           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 18:23             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 14:05       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 14:05         ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 15:21         ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 15:21           ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 16:19           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 16:19             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 18:34           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 18:34             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 19:06           ` Tom Rini
2013-11-19 19:06             ` Tom Rini
2013-11-19 18:19       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 18:19         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 16:37         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:37           ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:29       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:29         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 17:01         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 17:01           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 18:38           ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:38             ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 17:58         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 17:58           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 18:19           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 18:19             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 18:33           ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2013-11-21 18:33             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:54           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-21 18:54             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]             ` < CAOesGMgzUSMDy99XojipfRd5OM88UhfbCYO0aoc5m-Q8Fwnddg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]               ` < 20131121190126.GZ16735@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
2013-11-21 18:59             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 18:59               ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 19:01               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-21 19:01                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-21 19:31                 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 19:31                   ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 20:44                   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 20:44                     ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:53         ` Mark Brown
2013-11-21 18:53           ` Mark Brown
2013-11-15 18:28   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-11-15 18:28     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-11-15 18:57     ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-15 18:57       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18  5:19   ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18  5:26     ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 19:25       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 19:25         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 20:43         ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 20:43           ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 21:25           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 21:25             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18  7:22     ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-18 13:55     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-18 15:00     ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 19:13       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 19:13         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19  9:12         ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-19  9:12           ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-19 18:48           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 18:48             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-20  6:40             ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-20  6:40               ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-21 18:16               ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:16                 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 19:21               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-21 19:21                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-21 20:47                 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 20:47                   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-22 11:43                   ` Catalin Marinas
2013-11-22 11:43                     ` Catalin Marinas
2013-11-22 12:00                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-22 12:00                       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2014-05-05  7:06                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-05  7:06                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-05 14:41                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-05 14:41                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-05 15:29                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-05 15:29                             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-05 17:29                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-05 17:29                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-06 15:37                             ` Grant Likely
2014-05-06 15:37                               ` Grant Likely
2014-05-06 15:27                         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-06 15:27                           ` Grant Likely
2014-05-06 16:32                           ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-06 16:32                             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 15:28     ` Rob Herring
2013-11-18 19:09     ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 19:09       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 20:54       ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 20:54         ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 21:50         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 21:50           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 21:32       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 21:32         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 22:47         ` David Goodenough
2013-11-19 12:48           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 12:48             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 13:34             ` David Goodenough
2013-11-19 16:52               ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:23           ` Grant Likely
2013-11-19 14:33     ` Grant Likely
2013-11-20 13:49   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-20 13:49     ` Grant Likely
2013-11-20 17:43     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-20 17:43       ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-20 17:47       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-20 17:47         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 20:58 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-15 20:58   ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-15 21:44   ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 21:44     ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-17 17:18     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-17 17:18       ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-17 18:10       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-17 18:10         ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]         ` < CAOesGMiYyOcvr3Aqs-p8zc=XDwJM9NZtNxtxrTZssc6F=siZCw@mail.gmail.com>
2013-11-17 22:20         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-17 22:20           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18  8:45           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18  8:45             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 17:33             ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 17:38               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 19:21               ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 19:21                 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 18:26               ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 15:04         ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:04           ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:10           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 15:10             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 21:38             ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 21:38               ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 23:25 ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-18 23:25   ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-18 23:29   ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 23:29     ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 23:34     ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-18 23:34       ` Leif Lindholm

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