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From: Arno Wagner <arno@wagner.name>
To: dm-crypt@saout.de
Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] nuke password to delete luks header
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 08:11:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140114071159.GD18564@tansi.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFnMBaTL0By2Z8QUJRG1Qhv6SgukqSsOsVyFqO3Sqqwf2BLe6g@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 06:00:23 CET, .. ink .. wrote:
> > > with cryptsetup,the way to do it would be:
> > > 1. start with a block device like a usb stick
> > > 2. blank it out with random data.
> > > 3. put a regular file system like vfat at the beginning of the device.
> > > 4. put an encrypted plain volume somewhere at the back of the device.
> >
> > And any reasonable disk forensics tool will find that automatically
> > and fast. My keyslot-checker could be adapted to find something like
> > that in maybe one hour.
> >
> >
> are you saying that,if i create a 100MB file with data from "/dev/urandom"
> and then put a vfat file system on it,and then i open a plain mapper at
> 50MB offset and create a second file system on the file through the
> mapper,then your keyslot-checker or any other forensic tool will be able to
> detect the presence of this plain volume?

No, if you crypto-blank it, it will not. But you need to protect
the additional container against overwriting in some way. One
way is to not write the outer container at all. This is obvious,
as it is going to be either old and not written for a long time
or brand-new, i.e. container has been creatded for the border-
crossing. The way TC does it by preventing writes to that
area is likely to leacve traces of the failed writes.

> If true,then i would appreciate any link to any discussion of it because i
> am unaware of it.

See above.

Arno
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  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-14  7:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-14  2:10 [dm-crypt] nuke password to delete luks header Jim O'Gorman
2014-01-14  2:41 ` .. ink ..
2014-01-14  2:52   ` Jim O'Gorman
2014-01-14  4:04     ` .. ink ..
2014-01-14  4:36       ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-14  5:00         ` .. ink ..
2014-01-14  7:11           ` Arno Wagner [this message]
2014-01-14 12:05             ` .. ink ..
2014-01-14 14:34               ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-14 19:22                 ` .. ink ..
2014-01-15 19:36                   ` Milan Broz
2014-01-16 11:50                     ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-14  4:30     ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-14  5:01       ` Jim O'Gorman
2014-01-14  7:39         ` [dm-crypt] Re2: " Arno Wagner
2014-01-14 22:42           ` Jonas Meurer
2014-01-15  6:01             ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-15 10:00               ` Jonas Meurer
2014-01-15 10:47                 ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-15 11:39                 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2014-01-15 12:40                   ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-15 12:59                     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2014-01-15 13:38                       ` .. ink ..
2014-01-15 20:27       ` [dm-crypt] " Milan Broz
2014-01-16  9:50         ` Ondrej Kozina
2014-01-16 10:30           ` Thomas Bastiani
2014-01-16 13:09             ` Florian Junghanns
2014-01-16 19:33             ` Milan Broz
2014-01-16 20:09               ` helices
2014-01-16 20:11               ` Iggy
2014-01-16 21:36                 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2014-01-16 21:55                   ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-16 22:49                     ` Claudio Moretti
2014-01-17  8:17                       ` Thomas Bastiani
2014-01-17 23:18                         ` Claudio Moretti
2014-01-18  8:43                           ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-18 12:42                             ` Claudio Moretti
2014-01-18 19:18                               ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-16 20:18               ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2014-01-16 20:28                 ` .. ink ..
2014-01-16 21:02                   ` Brian
2014-01-16 21:24                   ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-16 20:59                 ` Milan Broz
2014-01-16 21:43                   ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-17 12:43                 ` Jonas Meurer
2014-01-17 13:12                   ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-17 14:27                     ` Jonas Meurer
2014-01-17 15:16                       ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2014-01-17 14:32                     ` Rick Moritz
2014-01-17 14:32                     ` Jonas Meurer
2014-01-17 14:57                       ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-17 14:51                     ` Heiko Rosemann
2014-01-17 15:10                       ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-16 12:01           ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-16 11:59         ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-21 22:40         ` Jonas
2014-01-23 21:26           ` Milan Broz
2014-01-23 22:11             ` .. ink ..
2014-01-23 22:30               ` Milan Broz
2014-01-23 23:43             ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-27  9:04             ` Jonas Meurer
2014-01-27 12:44               ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-27 20:30               ` Milan Broz
2014-01-28 10:28                 ` Jonas Meurer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-01-06 21:01 R3s1stanc3
2014-01-06 21:39 ` Heinz Diehl
2014-01-06 21:44   ` R3s1stanc3
2014-01-06 23:33     ` Claudio Moretti
2014-01-06 23:38       ` R3s1stanc3
2014-01-07  0:03     ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-07  0:01 ` Arno Wagner

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