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From: Jonas Meurer <jonas@freesources.org>
To: dm-crypt@saout.de
Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] nuke password to delete luks header
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 15:32:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52D93EF4.1070809@freesources.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140117131209.GA27651@tansi.org>

Am 17.01.2014 14:12, schrieb Arno Wagner:
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 13:43:42 CET, Jonas Meurer wrote:
>> Am 16.01.2014 21:18, schrieb Matthias Schniedermeyer:
>>> Meanwhile increasing the risk of everybody else, because once that 
>>> feature is a documented part of the system everybody will assume that 
>>> everybody will use it. Good look defending against a "Destruction of 
>>> Evidence" accusation, in case that happens in a situation with a LEO.
>>> [...]
>>> In short:
>>> The documented existence of such a feature is a risk by itself.
>>
>> Same logic applied, even the existence of this discussion is a risk by
>> itself. It proves that people might use a patched cryptsetup with added
>> nuke feature already.
> 
> Yes, it is. That is one of the reasons why I strongly recommend 
> not taking ecrypted data into danger at all and making sure all
> unused space on storage media is zeroed.

While in general I agree to your suggestion, Matthias' point rather
seems like a non-argument to me.

I agree that one should consider possible negative implications of wrong
usage of the feature in question. But I don't agree that the risk
created by "documented existance of such a feature" is an argument
against implementing it. Same logic applied again, we should stop
shipping crypto software in distributions at all just because in some
countries it might bring you into trouble, right?

Kind regards,
 jonas

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-17 14:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-14  2:10 [dm-crypt] nuke password to delete luks header Jim O'Gorman
2014-01-14  2:41 ` .. ink ..
2014-01-14  2:52   ` Jim O'Gorman
2014-01-14  4:04     ` .. ink ..
2014-01-14  4:36       ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-14  5:00         ` .. ink ..
2014-01-14  7:11           ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-14 12:05             ` .. ink ..
2014-01-14 14:34               ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-14 19:22                 ` .. ink ..
2014-01-15 19:36                   ` Milan Broz
2014-01-16 11:50                     ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-14  4:30     ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-14  5:01       ` Jim O'Gorman
2014-01-14  7:39         ` [dm-crypt] Re2: " Arno Wagner
2014-01-14 22:42           ` Jonas Meurer
2014-01-15  6:01             ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-15 10:00               ` Jonas Meurer
2014-01-15 10:47                 ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-15 11:39                 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2014-01-15 12:40                   ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-15 12:59                     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2014-01-15 13:38                       ` .. ink ..
2014-01-15 20:27       ` [dm-crypt] " Milan Broz
2014-01-16  9:50         ` Ondrej Kozina
2014-01-16 10:30           ` Thomas Bastiani
2014-01-16 13:09             ` Florian Junghanns
2014-01-16 19:33             ` Milan Broz
2014-01-16 20:09               ` helices
2014-01-16 20:11               ` Iggy
2014-01-16 21:36                 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2014-01-16 21:55                   ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-16 22:49                     ` Claudio Moretti
2014-01-17  8:17                       ` Thomas Bastiani
2014-01-17 23:18                         ` Claudio Moretti
2014-01-18  8:43                           ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-18 12:42                             ` Claudio Moretti
2014-01-18 19:18                               ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-16 20:18               ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2014-01-16 20:28                 ` .. ink ..
2014-01-16 21:02                   ` Brian
2014-01-16 21:24                   ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-16 20:59                 ` Milan Broz
2014-01-16 21:43                   ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-17 12:43                 ` Jonas Meurer
2014-01-17 13:12                   ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-17 14:27                     ` Jonas Meurer
2014-01-17 15:16                       ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2014-01-17 14:32                     ` Rick Moritz
2014-01-17 14:32                     ` Jonas Meurer [this message]
2014-01-17 14:57                       ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-17 14:51                     ` Heiko Rosemann
2014-01-17 15:10                       ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-16 12:01           ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-16 11:59         ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-21 22:40         ` Jonas
2014-01-23 21:26           ` Milan Broz
2014-01-23 22:11             ` .. ink ..
2014-01-23 22:30               ` Milan Broz
2014-01-23 23:43             ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-27  9:04             ` Jonas Meurer
2014-01-27 12:44               ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-27 20:30               ` Milan Broz
2014-01-28 10:28                 ` Jonas Meurer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-01-06 21:01 R3s1stanc3
2014-01-06 21:39 ` Heinz Diehl
2014-01-06 21:44   ` R3s1stanc3
2014-01-06 23:33     ` Claudio Moretti
2014-01-06 23:38       ` R3s1stanc3
2014-01-07  0:03     ` Arno Wagner
2014-01-07  0:01 ` Arno Wagner

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