From: Joel Becker <jlbec@evilplan.org>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
"linux-ide@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
"mgorman@suse.de" <mgorman@suse.de>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
"lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org"
<lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [LSF/MM TOPIC] really large storage sectors - going beyond 4096 bytes
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:21:26 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140123212125.GA25376@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140123125550.GB6853@thunk.org>
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 07:55:50AM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 07:35:58PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > >
> > > I expect it would be relatively simple to get large blocksizes working
> > > on powerpc with 64k PAGE_SIZE. So before diving in and doing huge
> > > amounts of work, perhaps someone can do a proof-of-concept on powerpc
> > > (or ia64) with 64k blocksize.
> >
> > Reality check: 64k block sizes on 64k page Linux machines has been
> > used in production on XFS for at least 10 years. It's exactly the
> > same case as 4k block size on 4k page size - one page, one buffer
> > head, one filesystem block.
>
> This is true for ext4 as well. Block size == page size support is
> pretty easy; the hard part is when block size > page size, due to
> assumptions in the VM layer that requires that FS system needs to do a
> lot of extra work to fudge around. So the real problem comes with
> trying to support 64k block sizes on a 4k page architecture, and can
> we do it in a way where every single file system doesn't have to do
> their own specific hacks to work around assumptions made in the VM
> layer.
Yup, ditto for ocfs2.
Joel
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From: Joel Becker <jlbec@evilplan.org>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
"linux-ide@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
"mgorman@suse.de" <mgorman@suse.de>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
"lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org"
<lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [LSF/MM TOPIC] really large storage sectors - going beyond 4096 bytes
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:21:26 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140123212125.GA25376@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140123125550.GB6853@thunk.org>
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 07:55:50AM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 07:35:58PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > >
> > > I expect it would be relatively simple to get large blocksizes working
> > > on powerpc with 64k PAGE_SIZE. So before diving in and doing huge
> > > amounts of work, perhaps someone can do a proof-of-concept on powerpc
> > > (or ia64) with 64k blocksize.
> >
> > Reality check: 64k block sizes on 64k page Linux machines has been
> > used in production on XFS for at least 10 years. It's exactly the
> > same case as 4k block size on 4k page size - one page, one buffer
> > head, one filesystem block.
>
> This is true for ext4 as well. Block size == page size support is
> pretty easy; the hard part is when block size > page size, due to
> assumptions in the VM layer that requires that FS system needs to do a
> lot of extra work to fudge around. So the real problem comes with
> trying to support 64k block sizes on a 4k page architecture, and can
> we do it in a way where every single file system doesn't have to do
> their own specific hacks to work around assumptions made in the VM
> layer.
Yup, ditto for ocfs2.
Joel
--
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belief that one's work is terribly important."
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-01-23 21:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-12-20 9:30 LSF/MM 2014 Call For Proposals Mel Gorman
2013-12-20 9:30 ` Mel Gorman
2013-12-20 9:30 ` [Lsf-pc] " Mel Gorman
2014-01-06 22:20 ` [LSF/MM TOPIC] [ATTEND] persistent memory progress, management of storage & file systems Ric Wheeler
2014-01-06 22:20 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-06 22:32 ` faibish, sorin
2014-01-06 22:32 ` faibish, sorin
2014-01-07 19:44 ` Joel Becker
2014-01-07 19:44 ` Joel Becker
2014-01-21 7:00 ` LSF/MM 2014 Call For Proposals Michel Lespinasse
2014-01-21 7:00 ` Michel Lespinasse
2014-01-22 3:04 ` [LSF/MM TOPIC] really large storage sectors - going beyond 4096 bytes Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 3:04 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 5:20 ` Joel Becker
2014-01-22 5:20 ` Joel Becker
2014-01-22 7:14 ` Hannes Reinecke
2014-01-22 7:14 ` Hannes Reinecke
2014-01-22 7:14 ` Hannes Reinecke
2014-01-22 9:34 ` [Lsf-pc] " Mel Gorman
2014-01-22 9:34 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-22 14:10 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 14:10 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 14:34 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-22 14:34 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-22 14:58 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 14:58 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 15:19 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-22 15:19 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-22 17:02 ` Chris Mason
2014-01-22 17:02 ` Chris Mason
2014-01-22 17:21 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 17:21 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 18:02 ` Chris Mason
2014-01-22 18:02 ` Chris Mason
2014-01-22 18:13 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 18:13 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 18:17 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 18:17 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 18:35 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 18:35 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 18:39 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 18:39 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 19:30 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 19:30 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 19:50 ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-22 19:50 ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-22 20:13 ` Chris Mason
2014-01-22 20:13 ` Chris Mason
2014-01-23 2:46 ` David Lang
2014-01-23 2:46 ` David Lang
2014-01-23 5:21 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-01-23 5:21 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-01-23 8:35 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 8:35 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 12:55 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-01-23 12:55 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-01-23 19:49 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 19:49 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 21:21 ` Joel Becker [this message]
2014-01-23 21:21 ` Joel Becker
2014-01-22 20:57 ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-01-22 20:57 ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-01-22 20:57 ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-01-22 18:37 ` Chris Mason
2014-01-22 18:37 ` Chris Mason
2014-01-22 18:40 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 18:40 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 18:47 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 18:47 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-23 21:27 ` Joel Becker
2014-01-23 21:27 ` Joel Becker
2014-01-23 21:34 ` Chris Mason
2014-01-23 21:34 ` Chris Mason
2014-01-23 8:27 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 8:27 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 15:47 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-23 15:47 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-23 16:44 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-23 16:44 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-23 19:55 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-23 19:55 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-24 10:57 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-24 10:57 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-30 4:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2014-01-30 4:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2014-01-30 6:01 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-30 6:01 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-30 10:50 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-30 10:50 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-23 20:34 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 20:34 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 20:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-01-23 20:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-01-23 8:24 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 8:24 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 20:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-01-23 20:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-01-22 20:47 ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-01-22 20:47 ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-01-23 8:21 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 8:21 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-22 15:14 ` Chris Mason
2014-01-22 15:14 ` Chris Mason
2014-01-22 16:03 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 16:03 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 16:45 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 16:45 ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 17:00 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 17:00 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 21:05 ` Jan Kara
2014-01-22 21:05 ` Jan Kara
2014-01-23 20:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-01-23 20:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-01-24 11:09 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-24 11:09 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-24 15:44 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-01-24 15:44 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-01-22 15:54 ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 15:54 ` James Bottomley
2014-03-14 9:02 ` Update on LSF/MM [was Re: LSF/MM 2014 Call For Proposals] James Bottomley
2014-03-14 9:02 ` James Bottomley
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