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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
To: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 7/7] arm: dma-mapping: plumb our iommu mapping ops into arch_setup_dma_ops
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:33:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140924163338.GF16244@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140923071355.GI30514@ulmo>

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 08:14:01AM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 06:43:37PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > Yup. In this case, the iommu_dma_mapping passed to arch_setup_dma_ops
> > contains a domain and an allocator for each IOMMU instance in the system.
> > It would then be up to the architecture how it makes use of those, but
> > the most obvious thing to do would be to attach devices mastering through
> > an IOMMU instance to that per-instance domain.
> > 
> > The other use-case is isolation (one domain per device), which I guess
> > matches what the ARM code is doing at the moment.
> 
> I think there are two cases here. You can have a composite device that
> wants to manage a single domain (using its own allocator) for a set of
> hardware devices. At the same time a set of devices (think 2D and 3D
> engines) could want to use a multiple domains for process separation.
> In that case I'd expect a logical DRM device to allocate one domain per
> process and then associate the 2D and 3D engines with that same domain
> on process switch.

Sure, but that's well outside of what the dma-mapping API is going to setup
as a default domain. These specialist setups are certainly possible, but I
think they should be driven by, for example, the DRM code as opposed to
being in the core dma-mapping code.

> What I proposed a while back was to leave it up to the IOMMU driver to
> choose an allocator for the device. Or rather, choose whether to use a
> custom allocator or the DMA/IOMMU integration allocator. The way this
> worked was to keep a list of devices in the IOMMU driver. Devices in
> this list would be added to domain reserved for DMA/IOMMU integration.
> Those would typically be devices such as SD/MMC, audio, ... devices that
> are in-kernel and need no per-process separation. By default devices
> wouldn't be added to a domain, so devices forming a composite DRM device
> would be able to manage their own domain.

I'd live to have as little of this as possible in the IOMMU drivers, as we
should leave those to deal with the IOMMU hardware and not domain
management. Having subsystems manage their own dma ops is an extension to
the dma-mapping API.

Will

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH v3 7/7] arm: dma-mapping: plumb our iommu mapping ops into arch_setup_dma_ops
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:33:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140924163338.GF16244@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140923071355.GI30514@ulmo>

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 08:14:01AM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 06:43:37PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > Yup. In this case, the iommu_dma_mapping passed to arch_setup_dma_ops
> > contains a domain and an allocator for each IOMMU instance in the system.
> > It would then be up to the architecture how it makes use of those, but
> > the most obvious thing to do would be to attach devices mastering through
> > an IOMMU instance to that per-instance domain.
> > 
> > The other use-case is isolation (one domain per device), which I guess
> > matches what the ARM code is doing at the moment.
> 
> I think there are two cases here. You can have a composite device that
> wants to manage a single domain (using its own allocator) for a set of
> hardware devices. At the same time a set of devices (think 2D and 3D
> engines) could want to use a multiple domains for process separation.
> In that case I'd expect a logical DRM device to allocate one domain per
> process and then associate the 2D and 3D engines with that same domain
> on process switch.

Sure, but that's well outside of what the dma-mapping API is going to setup
as a default domain. These specialist setups are certainly possible, but I
think they should be driven by, for example, the DRM code as opposed to
being in the core dma-mapping code.

> What I proposed a while back was to leave it up to the IOMMU driver to
> choose an allocator for the device. Or rather, choose whether to use a
> custom allocator or the DMA/IOMMU integration allocator. The way this
> worked was to keep a list of devices in the IOMMU driver. Devices in
> this list would be added to domain reserved for DMA/IOMMU integration.
> Those would typically be devices such as SD/MMC, audio, ... devices that
> are in-kernel and need no per-process separation. By default devices
> wouldn't be added to a domain, so devices forming a composite DRM device
> would be able to manage their own domain.

I'd live to have as little of this as possible in the IOMMU drivers, as we
should leave those to deal with the IOMMU hardware and not domain
management. Having subsystems manage their own dma ops is an extension to
the dma-mapping API.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-24 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-12 16:34 [RFC PATCH v3 0/7] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34 ` Will Deacon
     [not found] ` <1410539695-29128-1-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-12 16:34   ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/7] iommu: provide early initialisation hook for IOMMU drivers Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-18 14:31     ` Robin Murphy
2014-09-18 14:31       ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]       ` <541AECDA.1000805-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-22 17:35         ` Will Deacon
2014-09-22 17:35           ` Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34   ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/7] dma-mapping: replace set_arch_dma_coherent_ops with arch_setup_dma_ops Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34   ` [RFC PATCH v3 3/7] iommu: add new iommu_ops callback for adding an OF device Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1410539695-29128-4-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-15 11:57       ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-15 11:57         ` Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]         ` <5416D432.8020107-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-17  1:39           ` Will Deacon
2014-09-17  1:39             ` Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34   ` [RFC PATCH v3 4/7] iommu: provide helper function to configure an IOMMU for an of master Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1410539695-29128-5-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-18 11:13       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-18 11:13         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-22 17:13         ` Will Deacon
2014-09-22 17:13           ` Will Deacon
     [not found]           ` <20140922171352.GF7936-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-14 13:12             ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-14 13:12               ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-12 16:34   ` [RFC PATCH v3 5/7] dma-mapping: detect and configure IOMMU in of_dma_configure Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1410539695-29128-6-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-18 11:17       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-18 11:17         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-22  9:29         ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22  9:29           ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22 17:50           ` Will Deacon
2014-09-22 17:50             ` Will Deacon
     [not found]             ` <20140922175027.GK7936-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-14 12:53               ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-14 12:53                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-27 10:51                 ` Will Deacon
2014-10-27 10:51                   ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                   ` <20141027105158.GE8768-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-27 11:12                     ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-10-27 11:12                       ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-10-27 11:30                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-27 11:30                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-27 16:02                       ` Will Deacon
2014-10-27 16:02                         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                         ` <20141027160216.GY8768-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-27 16:33                           ` jroedel-l3A5Bk7waGM
2014-10-27 16:33                             ` jroedel at suse.de
2014-09-22 17:46         ` Will Deacon
2014-09-22 17:46           ` Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34   ` [RFC PATCH v3 6/7] arm: call iommu_init before of_platform_populate Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1410539695-29128-7-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-22  9:36       ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22  9:36         ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22 11:08         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-22 11:08           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-22 11:40           ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22 11:40             ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22 16:03             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-22 16:03               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-23  7:02               ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-23  7:02                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-23  7:44                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-23  7:44                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-23  8:59                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-23  8:59                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-14 13:07                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-14 13:07                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-14 13:20                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-14 13:20                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-14 13:37                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-14 13:37                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-14 15:01                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-14 15:01                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-14 15:05                           ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-14 15:05                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-14 15:10                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-14 15:10                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-12 16:34   ` [RFC PATCH v3 7/7] arm: dma-mapping: plumb our iommu mapping ops into arch_setup_dma_ops Will Deacon
2014-09-12 16:34     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1410539695-29128-8-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-22  9:19       ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22  9:19         ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-22  9:22         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-22  9:22           ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-22 17:43         ` Will Deacon
2014-09-22 17:43           ` Will Deacon
     [not found]           ` <20140922174337.GI7936-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-23  7:14             ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-23  7:14               ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-24 16:33               ` Will Deacon [this message]
2014-09-24 16:33                 ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                 ` <20140924163338.GF16244-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-25  6:40                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-25  6:40                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-30 16:00                     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-30 16:00                       ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                       ` <20140930160035.GM2548-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-01  8:46                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-01  8:46                           ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-03 15:08                           ` Will Deacon
2014-10-03 15:08                             ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                             ` <20141003150850.GA32451-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-06  9:52                               ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-06  9:52                                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-06 10:50                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-06 10:50                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-10-06 13:05                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-10-06 13:05                                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-16 11:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 0/7] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters Robin Murphy
2014-09-16 11:40   ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]   ` <541821AB.8040403-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-17  1:19     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-17  1:19       ` Will Deacon

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