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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Jerome Glisse <j.glisse@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	jglisse@redhat.com, mgorman@suse.de, aarcange@redhat.com,
	riel@redhat.com, airlied@redhat.com, benh@kernel.crashing.org,
	aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Cameron Buschardt <cabuschardt@nvidia.com>,
	Mark Hairgrove <mhairgrove@nvidia.com>,
	Geoffrey Gerfin <ggerfin@nvidia.com>,
	John McKenna <jmckenna@nvidia.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Interacting with coherent memory on external devices
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:13:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150424141359.GX5561@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1504240859080.7582@gentwo.org>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 09:01:47AM -0500, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2015, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> 
> > > As far as I know Jerome is talkeing about HPC loads and high performance
> > > GPU processing. This is the same use case.
> >
> > The difference is sensitivity to latency.  You have latency-sensitive
> > HPC workloads, and Jerome is talking about HPC workloads that need
> > high throughput, but are insensitive to latency.
> 
> Those are correlated.

In some cases, yes.  But are you -really- claiming that -all- HPC
workloads are highly sensitive to latency?  That would be quite a claim!

> > > What you are proposing for High Performacne Computing is reducing the
> > > performance these guys trying to get. You cannot sell someone a Volkswagen
> > > if he needs the Ferrari.
> >
> > You do need the low-latency Ferrari.  But others are best served by a
> > high-throughput freight train.
> 
> The problem is that they want to run 2000 trains at the same time
> and they all must arrive at the destination before they can be send on
> their next trip. 1999 trains will be sitting idle because they need
> to wait of the one train that was delayed. This reduces the troughput.
> People really would like all 2000 trains to arrive on schedule so that
> they get more performance.

Yes, there is some portion of the market that needs both high throughput
and highly predictable latencies.  You are claiming that the -entire- HPC
market has this sort of requirement?  Again, this would be quite a claim!

							Thanx, Paul

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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Jerome Glisse <j.glisse@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	jglisse@redhat.com, mgorman@suse.de, aarcange@redhat.com,
	riel@redhat.com, airlied@redhat.com, benh@kernel.crashing.org,
	aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Cameron Buschardt <cabuschardt@nvidia.com>,
	Mark Hairgrove <mhairgrove@nvidia.com>,
	Geoffrey Gerfin <ggerfin@nvidia.com>,
	John McKenna <jmckenna@nvidia.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Interacting with coherent memory on external devices
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:13:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150424141359.GX5561@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1504240859080.7582@gentwo.org>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 09:01:47AM -0500, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2015, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> 
> > > As far as I know Jerome is talkeing about HPC loads and high performance
> > > GPU processing. This is the same use case.
> >
> > The difference is sensitivity to latency.  You have latency-sensitive
> > HPC workloads, and Jerome is talking about HPC workloads that need
> > high throughput, but are insensitive to latency.
> 
> Those are correlated.

In some cases, yes.  But are you -really- claiming that -all- HPC
workloads are highly sensitive to latency?  That would be quite a claim!

> > > What you are proposing for High Performacne Computing is reducing the
> > > performance these guys trying to get. You cannot sell someone a Volkswagen
> > > if he needs the Ferrari.
> >
> > You do need the low-latency Ferrari.  But others are best served by a
> > high-throughput freight train.
> 
> The problem is that they want to run 2000 trains at the same time
> and they all must arrive at the destination before they can be send on
> their next trip. 1999 trains will be sitting idle because they need
> to wait of the one train that was delayed. This reduces the troughput.
> People really would like all 2000 trains to arrive on schedule so that
> they get more performance.

Yes, there is some portion of the market that needs both high throughput
and highly predictable latencies.  You are claiming that the -entire- HPC
market has this sort of requirement?  Again, this would be quite a claim!

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-24 14:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 193+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-21 21:44 Interacting with coherent memory on external devices Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-21 21:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-21 23:46 ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-21 23:46   ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-22  0:36   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-22  0:36     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-22 12:42   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-22 12:42     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-21 23:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-21 23:49   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-22  0:05   ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-22  0:05     ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-22  0:50     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-22  0:50       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-22  1:01       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-22  1:01         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-22 13:35         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-22 13:35           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-22 13:18       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-22 13:18         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-22 16:16         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-22 16:16           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-22 17:07           ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-22 17:07             ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-22 18:17             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-22 18:17               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-22 18:52               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-22 18:52                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-23 14:12                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-23 14:12                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-23 19:24                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-23 19:24                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-24 14:01                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 14:01                       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 14:13                       ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2015-04-24 14:13                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-24 15:53                       ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-24 15:53                         ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-23  2:36               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-23  2:36                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-23 14:10                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-23 14:10                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-23 15:42                   ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-23 15:42                     ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 14:04                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 14:04                       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-23 22:29                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-23 22:29                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-23  2:30           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-23  2:30             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-23 14:25             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-23 14:25               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-23 15:25               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-23 19:33                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-23 19:33                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-24 14:12                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 14:12                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 14:57                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-24 14:57                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-24 15:09                       ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 15:09                         ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-25 11:20                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-25 11:20                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-24 15:52                       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 15:52                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-23 22:37                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-23 22:37                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-24 14:09                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 14:09                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-23 16:04       ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-23 16:04         ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-22  0:42   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-22  0:42     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-22  0:57     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-22  0:57       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-22  1:04       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-22  1:04         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-22 15:25         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-22 15:25           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-22 16:31           ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-22 16:31             ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-22 17:14             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-22 17:14               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-22 19:07               ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-22 19:07                 ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-23  2:34               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-23  2:34                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-23 14:38                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-23 14:38                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-23 16:11                   ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-23 16:11                     ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 14:29                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 14:29                       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 15:08                       ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 15:08                         ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 16:03                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 16:03                           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 16:43                           ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 16:43                             ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 16:58                             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 16:58                               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 17:19                               ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 17:19                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 18:56                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 18:56                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 19:29                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 19:29                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 20:00                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 20:00                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 20:32                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 20:32                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-25 11:46                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-25 11:46                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-27 15:08                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-27 15:08                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-27 15:47                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-27 15:47                                             ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-27 16:17                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-27 16:17                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-27 16:29                                               ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-27 16:29                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-27 16:48                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-27 16:48                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-27 23:54                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-27 23:54                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-05-13 14:10                                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-05-13 14:10                                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-05-13 23:38                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-05-13 23:38                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-05-14  7:39                                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-05-14  7:39                                                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-05-14  7:51                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-05-14  7:51                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-05-28 18:18                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-28 18:18                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-27 16:43                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-27 16:43                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-27 16:51                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-27 16:51                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-27 17:21                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-27 17:21                                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-27 19:26                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-27 19:26                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-27 19:35                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-27 19:35                                                         ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-27 20:52                                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-27 20:52                                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-28 14:18                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-28 14:18                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-28 17:20                                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-28 17:20                                                             ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-27 16:15                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-27 16:15                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-27 16:31                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-27 16:31                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 23:45                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-24 23:45                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-23 18:52                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-23 18:52                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-24 14:30                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 14:30                       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 14:54                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-24 14:54                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-24 15:49                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 15:49                           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-24 16:06                           ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-24 16:06                             ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-25 11:49                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-25 11:49                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-24 16:00                       ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 16:00                         ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 16:08                       ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-24 16:08                         ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-23 17:28               ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-23 17:28                 ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-23  2:27           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-23  2:27             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-23 14:20             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-23 14:20               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-23 16:22               ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-23 16:22                 ` Jerome Glisse
2015-04-24 18:41                 ` Oded Gabbay
2015-04-24 18:41                   ` Oded Gabbay
2015-04-23 19:00               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-23 19:00                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-22 15:20       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-22 15:20         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-25  2:32 ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-25  2:32   ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-25  3:32   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-25  3:32     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-04-25 11:55     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-25 11:55       ` Paul E. McKenney

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