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From: Al Viro <viro-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Tahsin Erdogan <tahsin-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>,
	Nauman Rafique <nauman-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Jan Kara <jack-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH block/for-4.5-fixes] writeback: keep superblock pinned during cgroup writeback association switches
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 21:58:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160219215811.GA17997@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160219205147.GN13177-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 03:51:47PM -0500, Tejun Heo wrote:

> I see, I suppose that's what distinguishes s_active and s_umount
> usages - whether pinning should block umounting?

???

->s_active is plain and simple count of "I hold a long-term reference to
this superblock, don't you shut it down until I drop that".

->s_umount is held across some of the transitions in struct super_block
life cycle, including the actual process of shutdown.

> > If you need details on s_active/s_umount/etc., I can give you a braindump,
> > but I suspect your real question is a lot more specific.  Details, please...
> 
> So, the problem is that cgroup writeback path sometimes schedules a
> work item to change the cgroup an inode is associated.  Currently,
> only the inode was pinned and the underlying sb may go away while the
> work item is still pending.  The work item performs iput() at the end
> and that explodes if the underlying sb is already gone.
> 
> As writeback path relies on s_umount for synchronization anyway, I
> think that'd be the most natural way to hold onto the sb but
> unfortunately there's no way to pass on the down_read to the async
> execution context, so I made it grap s_active, which worked fine but
> it made the sb hang around until such work items are finished.  It's
> an unlikely race to hit but still broken.
> 
> The last option would be canceling / flushing these work items from sb
> shutdown path which is likely more involved.
> 
> What should it be doing?

Um...  What ordering requirements do you have?  You obviously shouldn't
let it continue past the shutdown - as the matter of fact, you *can't* let
it continue past generic_shutdown_super(), since any inode references
held at evict_inodes() time will make it very unhappy.  Attempts to do
any IO after that will make things a lot worse than unhappy - data structures
needed to do it might be gone (and if you hold a bit longer, filesystem
driver itself might very well be gone, along with the functions you were
going to call).

Grabbing ->s_active is a seriously bad idea for another reason - in
a situation when there's only one mount of given fs, plain umount() should
_not_ return 0 before fs shutdown is over.  Sure, it is possible that there's
a binding somewhere, or that it's a lazy umount, etc., but those are "you've
asked for it" situations; having plain umount of e.g. ext3 on a USB stick
return success before it is safe to pull that stick out is a Bloody Bad Idea,
for obvious usability reasons.

IOW, while fs shutdown may be async, making it *always* async would be a bad
bug.  And bumping ->s_active does just that.

I'd go for trylock inside that work + making generic_shutdown_super()
kill all such works.  I assume that it *can* be abandoned in situation
when we know that sync_filesystem() is about to be called and that
said sync_filesystem() won't, in turn, schedule any such works, of course...

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Tahsin Erdogan <tahsin@google.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Nauman Rafique <nauman@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH block/for-4.5-fixes] writeback: keep superblock pinned during cgroup writeback association switches
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 21:58:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160219215811.GA17997@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160219205147.GN13177@mtj.duckdns.org>

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 03:51:47PM -0500, Tejun Heo wrote:

> I see, I suppose that's what distinguishes s_active and s_umount
> usages - whether pinning should block umounting?

???

->s_active is plain and simple count of "I hold a long-term reference to
this superblock, don't you shut it down until I drop that".

->s_umount is held across some of the transitions in struct super_block
life cycle, including the actual process of shutdown.

> > If you need details on s_active/s_umount/etc., I can give you a braindump,
> > but I suspect your real question is a lot more specific.  Details, please...
> 
> So, the problem is that cgroup writeback path sometimes schedules a
> work item to change the cgroup an inode is associated.  Currently,
> only the inode was pinned and the underlying sb may go away while the
> work item is still pending.  The work item performs iput() at the end
> and that explodes if the underlying sb is already gone.
> 
> As writeback path relies on s_umount for synchronization anyway, I
> think that'd be the most natural way to hold onto the sb but
> unfortunately there's no way to pass on the down_read to the async
> execution context, so I made it grap s_active, which worked fine but
> it made the sb hang around until such work items are finished.  It's
> an unlikely race to hit but still broken.
> 
> The last option would be canceling / flushing these work items from sb
> shutdown path which is likely more involved.
> 
> What should it be doing?

Um...  What ordering requirements do you have?  You obviously shouldn't
let it continue past the shutdown - as the matter of fact, you *can't* let
it continue past generic_shutdown_super(), since any inode references
held at evict_inodes() time will make it very unhappy.  Attempts to do
any IO after that will make things a lot worse than unhappy - data structures
needed to do it might be gone (and if you hold a bit longer, filesystem
driver itself might very well be gone, along with the functions you were
going to call).

Grabbing ->s_active is a seriously bad idea for another reason - in
a situation when there's only one mount of given fs, plain umount() should
_not_ return 0 before fs shutdown is over.  Sure, it is possible that there's
a binding somewhere, or that it's a lazy umount, etc., but those are "you've
asked for it" situations; having plain umount of e.g. ext3 on a USB stick
return success before it is safe to pull that stick out is a Bloody Bad Idea,
for obvious usability reasons.

IOW, while fs shutdown may be async, making it *always* async would be a bad
bug.  And bumping ->s_active does just that.

I'd go for trylock inside that work + making generic_shutdown_super()
kill all such works.  I assume that it *can* be abandoned in situation
when we know that sync_filesystem() is about to be called and that
said sync_filesystem() won't, in turn, schedule any such works, of course...

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-02-19 21:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-12 19:32 [BUG] cgroup writeback crash Tahsin Erdogan
     [not found] ` <CAAeU0aNCq7LGODvVGRU-oU_o-6enii5ey0p1c26D1ZzYwkDc5A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-15 21:00   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20160215210047.GN3965-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-16  7:56       ` Tahsin Erdogan
     [not found]         ` <CAAeU0aNAd1Ra6LXmWwq8row4MD_BpVHiSXOwHx07m86UWREvHw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-16 18:24           ` [PATCH block/for-4.5-fixes] writeback: keep superblock pinned during cgroup writeback association switches Tejun Heo
2016-02-16 18:24             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]             ` <20160216182457.GO3741-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-16 18:34               ` Jens Axboe
2016-02-16 18:34                 ` Jens Axboe
2016-02-17 20:57               ` Jan Kara
2016-02-17 20:57                 ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                 ` <20160217205721.GE14140-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-17 21:07                   ` Tejun Heo
2016-02-17 21:07                     ` Tejun Heo
2016-02-17 22:30                     ` Jan Kara
2016-02-17 22:41                       ` Tahsin Erdogan
     [not found]                         ` <CAAeU0aOvSwPbLPU0=20D1RExNj8VsbB38hUnyso2L8xNSQC0XA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-17 23:02                           ` Tejun Heo
2016-02-17 23:02                             ` Tejun Heo
2016-02-18  9:55                             ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                               ` <20160218095538.GA4338-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-18 13:00                                 ` Tejun Heo
2016-02-18 13:00                                   ` Tejun Heo
2016-02-18 13:20                                   ` Jan Kara
2016-02-19 20:18                                   ` Al Viro
2016-02-19 20:51                                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                       ` <20160219205147.GN13177-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-19 21:58                                         ` Al Viro [this message]
2016-02-19 21:58                                           ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                           ` <20160219215811.GA17997-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-19 22:15                                             ` Tejun Heo
2016-02-19 22:15                                               ` Tejun Heo
2016-02-19 22:26                                               ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                                 ` <20160219222609.GC17997-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-28 21:53                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2016-02-28 21:53                                                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                             ` <20160217230231.GC6479-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-29 20:47                               ` [PATCH block/for-linus] writeback: flush inode cgroup wb switches instead of pinning super_block Tejun Heo
2016-02-29 20:47                                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                 ` <20160229204724.GV3965-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-29 20:54                                   ` Al Viro
2016-02-29 20:54                                     ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                     ` <20160229205428.GB17997-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-29 20:58                                       ` Tejun Heo
2016-02-29 20:58                                         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                         ` <20160229205837.GX3965-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-29 21:06                                           ` Al Viro
2016-02-29 21:06                                             ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                             ` <20160229210614.GC17997-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-29 21:08                                               ` Tejun Heo
2016-02-29 21:08                                                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                 ` <20160229210800.GY3965-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-29 21:21                                                   ` Jan Kara
2016-02-29 21:21                                                     ` Jan Kara
2016-02-29 23:28                                   ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
2016-02-29 23:28                                     ` Tejun Heo
2016-03-01  9:20                                     ` Jan Kara
2016-03-01 17:46                                     ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                                       ` <56D5D592.2020800-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-01 17:50                                         ` Tejun Heo
2016-03-01 17:50                                           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                           ` <CAOS58YO5vTBnM561np7gpXKGQELrT169bYqmcfvAvsquBJK5yw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-02 10:29                                             ` Jan Kara
2016-03-02 10:29                                               ` Jan Kara
2016-03-01 13:39                                 ` [PATCH " Tahsin Erdogan
2016-02-18 10:12               ` [PATCH block/for-4.5-fixes] writeback: keep superblock pinned during cgroup writeback association switches Nikolay Borisov
2016-02-18 10:12                 ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-02-18 12:57                 ` Tejun Heo

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