From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/5] mm/zsmalloc: remove shrinker compaction callbacks
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:19:57 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160315021957.GA25154@bbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160315010542.GB2126@swordfish>
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 10:05:42AM +0900, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> On (03/15/16 09:52), Minchan Kim wrote:
> [..]
> > > > I suggested to remove shrinker compaction but while I review your
> > > > first patch in this thread, I thought we need upper-bound to
> > > > compact zspage so background work can bail out for latency easily.
> > > > IOW, the work could give up the job. In such case, we might need
> > > > fall-back scheme to continue the job. And I think that could be
> > > > a shrinker.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > wouldn't this unnecessarily complicate the whole thing? we would
> > > have
> > > a) a compaction that can be triggered by used space
> >
> > Maybe, user space? :)
>
> haha, yes! sorry, I do quite a lot of typos.
>
> > > b) a compaction from zs_free() that can bail out
> > > c) a compaction triggered by the shrinker.
> > >
> > > all 3 three can run simultaneously.
> >
> > Yeb.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > _if_ we can keep every class below its watermark, we can reduce the
> > > need of "c)".
> >
> > But the problem is timing. We cannot guarantee when background
> > compaction triggers while shrinker is interop with VM so we should
> > do the job instantly for the system.
>
> we can have pool's compaction-kthread that we will wake_up()
> every time we need a compaction, with no dependency on workqueue
> or shrinker.
Hmm, I don't think it can work either because wake_up doesn't
guarantee instant execution of the thread.
I think it would be better to have both direct/background
compaction.
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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/5] mm/zsmalloc: remove shrinker compaction callbacks
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:19:57 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160315021957.GA25154@bbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160315010542.GB2126@swordfish>
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 10:05:42AM +0900, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> On (03/15/16 09:52), Minchan Kim wrote:
> [..]
> > > > I suggested to remove shrinker compaction but while I review your
> > > > first patch in this thread, I thought we need upper-bound to
> > > > compact zspage so background work can bail out for latency easily.
> > > > IOW, the work could give up the job. In such case, we might need
> > > > fall-back scheme to continue the job. And I think that could be
> > > > a shrinker.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > wouldn't this unnecessarily complicate the whole thing? we would
> > > have
> > > a) a compaction that can be triggered by used space
> >
> > Maybe, user space? :)
>
> haha, yes! sorry, I do quite a lot of typos.
>
> > > b) a compaction from zs_free() that can bail out
> > > c) a compaction triggered by the shrinker.
> > >
> > > all 3 three can run simultaneously.
> >
> > Yeb.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > _if_ we can keep every class below its watermark, we can reduce the
> > > need of "c)".
> >
> > But the problem is timing. We cannot guarantee when background
> > compaction triggers while shrinker is interop with VM so we should
> > do the job instantly for the system.
>
> we can have pool's compaction-kthread that we will wake_up()
> every time we need a compaction, with no dependency on workqueue
> or shrinker.
Hmm, I don't think it can work either because wake_up doesn't
guarantee instant execution of the thread.
I think it would be better to have both direct/background
compaction.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-03-15 2:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-03-03 14:45 [RFC][PATCH v3 0/5] mm/zsmalloc: rework compaction and increase density Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-03 14:45 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-03 14:45 ` [RFC][PATCH v3 1/5] mm/zsmalloc: introduce class auto-compaction Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-03 14:45 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-14 6:17 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-14 6:17 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-14 7:41 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-14 7:41 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-14 8:20 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-14 8:20 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-15 0:46 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-15 0:46 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-15 1:33 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-15 1:33 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-15 6:17 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-15 6:17 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-17 1:29 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-17 1:29 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-18 1:17 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-18 1:17 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-18 2:00 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-18 2:00 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-18 4:03 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-18 4:03 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-18 4:10 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-18 4:10 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-03 14:46 ` [RFC][PATCH v3 2/5] mm/zsmalloc: remove shrinker compaction callbacks Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-03 14:46 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-14 6:32 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-14 6:32 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-14 7:45 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-14 7:45 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-15 0:52 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-15 0:52 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-15 1:05 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-15 1:05 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-15 2:19 ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2016-03-15 2:19 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-03 14:46 ` [RFC][PATCH v3 3/5] mm/zsmalloc: introduce zs_huge_object() Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-03 14:46 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-14 6:53 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-14 6:53 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-14 8:08 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-14 8:08 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-15 0:54 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-15 0:54 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-03 14:46 ` [RFC][PATCH v3 4/5] zram: use zs_huge_object() Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-03 14:46 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-03 14:46 ` [RFC][PATCH v3 5/5] mm/zsmalloc: reduce the number of huge classes Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-03 14:46 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
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