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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] x86, pkeys: add pkey set/get syscalls
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:13:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160712071305.GA13444@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5783AD25.8020303@sr71.net>


* Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net> wrote:

> On 07/11/2016 12:35 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> > mprotect_pkey()'s effects are per MM, but the system calls related to managing the 
> > keys (alloc/free/get/set) are fundamentally per CPU.
> > 
> > Here's an example of how this could matter to applications:
> > 
> >  - 'writer thread' gets a RW- key into index 1 to a specific data area
> >  - a pool of 'reader threads' may get the same pkey index 1 R-- to read the data 
> >    area.
> > 
> > Same page tables, same index, two protections and two purposes.
> > 
> > With a global, per MM allocation of keys we'd have to use two indices: index 1 and 2.
> 
> I'm not sure how this would work.  A piece of data mapped at only one virtual 
> address can have only one key associated with it.

Yeah, indeed, got myself confused there - but the actual protection bits are per 
CPU (per task).

> Remember, PKRU is just a *bitmap*.  The only place keys are stored is in the 
> page tables.

A pkey is an index *and* a protection mask. So by representing it as a bitmask we 
lose per thread information. This is what I meant by 'incomplete shadowing' - for 
example the debug code couldn't work: if we cleared a pkey in a task we wouldn't 
know what to restore it to with the current data structures, right?

Thanks,

	Ingo

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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] x86, pkeys: add pkey set/get syscalls
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:13:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160712071305.GA13444@gmail.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20160712071305.5EYVM0YIRor4HeKq60GLUldS9Ti7vxsxQ4r290RFBtU@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5783AD25.8020303@sr71.net>


* Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net> wrote:

> On 07/11/2016 12:35 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> > mprotect_pkey()'s effects are per MM, but the system calls related to managing the 
> > keys (alloc/free/get/set) are fundamentally per CPU.
> > 
> > Here's an example of how this could matter to applications:
> > 
> >  - 'writer thread' gets a RW- key into index 1 to a specific data area
> >  - a pool of 'reader threads' may get the same pkey index 1 R-- to read the data 
> >    area.
> > 
> > Same page tables, same index, two protections and two purposes.
> > 
> > With a global, per MM allocation of keys we'd have to use two indices: index 1 and 2.
> 
> I'm not sure how this would work.  A piece of data mapped at only one virtual 
> address can have only one key associated with it.

Yeah, indeed, got myself confused there - but the actual protection bits are per 
CPU (per task).

> Remember, PKRU is just a *bitmap*.  The only place keys are stored is in the 
> page tables.

A pkey is an index *and* a protection mask. So by representing it as a bitmask we 
lose per thread information. This is what I meant by 'incomplete shadowing' - for 
example the debug code couldn't work: if we cleared a pkey in a task we wouldn't 
know what to restore it to with the current data structures, right?

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-12  7:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-07 12:47 [PATCH 0/9] [REVIEW-REQUEST] [v4] System Calls for Memory Protection Keys Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 1/9] x86, pkeys: add fault handling for PF_PK page fault bit Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 14:40   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 14:40     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 15:42     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 15:42       ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 2/9] mm: implement new pkey_mprotect() system call Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 14:40   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 14:40     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 16:51     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 16:51       ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-08 10:15       ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-08 10:15         ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 3/9] x86, pkeys: make mprotect_key() mask off additional vm_flags Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 4/9] x86: wire up mprotect_key() system call Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 5/9] x86, pkeys: allocation/free syscalls Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 14:40   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 14:40     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 15:38     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 15:38       ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 6/9] x86, pkeys: add pkey set/get syscalls Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 14:45   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 14:45     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 17:33     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 17:33       ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-08  7:18       ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-08  7:18         ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]         ` <20160708071810.GA27457-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-08 16:32           ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-08 16:32             ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-08 16:32             ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-09  8:37             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-09  8:37               ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-09  8:37               ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-11  4:25               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-11  4:25                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                 ` <CALCETrXJhVz6Za4=oidiM2Vfbb+XdggFBYiVyvOCcia+w064aQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-11  7:35                   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-11  7:35                     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-11  7:35                     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-11 14:28                     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-11 14:28                       ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-12  7:13                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2016-07-12  7:13                         ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-12 15:39                         ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-12 15:39                           ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-11 14:50                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-11 14:50                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-11 14:34                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-11 14:34                     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-11 14:34                     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-11 14:45                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-11 14:45                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-11 15:48                       ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-11 15:48                         ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-12 16:32                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-12 16:32                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-12 17:12                           ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-12 17:12                             ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-12 22:55                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-12 22:55                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-13  7:56                           ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-13  7:56                             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-13 18:43                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-13 18:43                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-14  8:07                               ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-14  8:07                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-18  4:43                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-18  4:43                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-18  9:56                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-18  9:56                                     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]               ` <20160709083715.GA29939-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-18 18:02                 ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-18 18:02                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-18 18:02                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-18 20:12                 ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-18 20:12                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-18 20:12                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-08 19:26         ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-08 19:26           ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]       ` <577E924C.6010406-gkUM19QKKo4@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-08 10:22         ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-08 10:22           ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-08 10:22           ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 7/9] generic syscalls: wire up memory protection keys syscalls Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 8/9] pkeys: add details of system call use to Documentation/ Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 9/9] x86, pkeys: add self-tests Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
     [not found] ` <20160707124719.3F04C882-LXbPSdftPKxrdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-07 14:47   ` [PATCH 0/9] [REVIEW-REQUEST] [v4] System Calls for Memory Protection Keys Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 14:47     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 14:47     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-08 18:38   ` Hugh Dickins
2016-07-08 18:38     ` Hugh Dickins
2016-07-08 18:38     ` Hugh Dickins
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-06-09  0:01 [PATCH 0/9] [v3] " Dave Hansen
2016-06-09  0:01 ` [PATCH 6/9] x86, pkeys: add pkey set/get syscalls Dave Hansen
2016-06-09  0:01   ` Dave Hansen
2016-06-07 20:47 [PATCH 0/9] [v2] System Calls for Memory Protection Keys Dave Hansen
2016-06-07 20:47 ` [PATCH 6/9] x86, pkeys: add pkey set/get syscalls Dave Hansen
2016-06-07 20:47   ` Dave Hansen

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