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From: Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	arnd@arndb.de, hughd@google.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] x86, pkeys: add pkey set/get syscalls
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:33:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <577E924C.6010406@sr71.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160707144508.GZ11498@techsingularity.net>

On 07/07/2016 07:45 AM, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 05:47:28AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> > 
>> > From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
>> > 
>> > This establishes two more system calls for protection key management:
>> > 
>> > 	unsigned long pkey_get(int pkey);
>> > 	int pkey_set(int pkey, unsigned long access_rights);
>> > 
>> > The return value from pkey_get() and the 'access_rights' passed
>> > to pkey_set() are the same format: a bitmask containing
>> > PKEY_DENY_WRITE and/or PKEY_DENY_ACCESS, or nothing set at all.
>> > 
>> > These can replace userspace's direct use of the new rdpkru/wrpkru
>> > instructions.
...
> This one feels like something that can or should be implemented in
> glibc.

I generally agree, except that glibc doesn't have any visibility into
whether a pkey is currently valid or not.

> There is no real enforcement of the values yet looking them up or
> setting them takes mmap_sem for write.

There are checks for mm_pkey_is_allocated().  That's the main thing
these syscalls add on top of the raw instructions.

> Applications that frequently get
> called will get hammed into the ground with serialisation on mmap_sem
> not to mention the cost of the syscall entry/exit.

I think we can do both of them without mmap_sem, as long as we resign
ourselves to this just being fundamentally racy (which it is already, I
think).  But, is it worth performance-tuning things that we don't expect
performance-sensitive apps to be using in the first place?  They'll just
use the RDPKRU/WRPKRU instructions directly.

Ingo, do you still feel strongly that these syscalls (pkey_set/get())
should be included?  Of the 5, they're definitely the two with the
weakest justification.

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From: Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	arnd@arndb.de, hughd@google.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] x86, pkeys: add pkey set/get syscalls
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:33:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <577E924C.6010406@sr71.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160707144508.GZ11498@techsingularity.net>

On 07/07/2016 07:45 AM, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 05:47:28AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> > 
>> > From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
>> > 
>> > This establishes two more system calls for protection key management:
>> > 
>> > 	unsigned long pkey_get(int pkey);
>> > 	int pkey_set(int pkey, unsigned long access_rights);
>> > 
>> > The return value from pkey_get() and the 'access_rights' passed
>> > to pkey_set() are the same format: a bitmask containing
>> > PKEY_DENY_WRITE and/or PKEY_DENY_ACCESS, or nothing set at all.
>> > 
>> > These can replace userspace's direct use of the new rdpkru/wrpkru
>> > instructions.
...
> This one feels like something that can or should be implemented in
> glibc.

I generally agree, except that glibc doesn't have any visibility into
whether a pkey is currently valid or not.

> There is no real enforcement of the values yet looking them up or
> setting them takes mmap_sem for write.

There are checks for mm_pkey_is_allocated().  That's the main thing
these syscalls add on top of the raw instructions.

> Applications that frequently get
> called will get hammed into the ground with serialisation on mmap_sem
> not to mention the cost of the syscall entry/exit.

I think we can do both of them without mmap_sem, as long as we resign
ourselves to this just being fundamentally racy (which it is already, I
think).  But, is it worth performance-tuning things that we don't expect
performance-sensitive apps to be using in the first place?  They'll just
use the RDPKRU/WRPKRU instructions directly.

Ingo, do you still feel strongly that these syscalls (pkey_set/get())
should be included?  Of the 5, they're definitely the two with the
weakest justification.

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-07 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-07 12:47 [PATCH 0/9] [REVIEW-REQUEST] [v4] System Calls for Memory Protection Keys Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 1/9] x86, pkeys: add fault handling for PF_PK page fault bit Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 14:40   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 14:40     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 15:42     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 15:42       ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 2/9] mm: implement new pkey_mprotect() system call Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 14:40   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 14:40     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 16:51     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 16:51       ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-08 10:15       ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-08 10:15         ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 3/9] x86, pkeys: make mprotect_key() mask off additional vm_flags Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 4/9] x86: wire up mprotect_key() system call Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 5/9] x86, pkeys: allocation/free syscalls Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 14:40   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 14:40     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 15:38     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 15:38       ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 6/9] x86, pkeys: add pkey set/get syscalls Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 14:45   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 14:45     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 17:33     ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2016-07-07 17:33       ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-08  7:18       ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-08  7:18         ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]         ` <20160708071810.GA27457-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-08 16:32           ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-08 16:32             ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-08 16:32             ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-09  8:37             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-09  8:37               ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-09  8:37               ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-11  4:25               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-11  4:25                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                 ` <CALCETrXJhVz6Za4=oidiM2Vfbb+XdggFBYiVyvOCcia+w064aQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-11  7:35                   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-11  7:35                     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-11  7:35                     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-11 14:28                     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-11 14:28                       ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-12  7:13                       ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-12  7:13                         ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-12 15:39                         ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-12 15:39                           ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-11 14:50                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-11 14:50                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-11 14:34                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-11 14:34                     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-11 14:34                     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-11 14:45                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-11 14:45                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-11 15:48                       ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-11 15:48                         ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-12 16:32                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-12 16:32                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-12 17:12                           ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-12 17:12                             ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-12 22:55                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-12 22:55                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-13  7:56                           ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-13  7:56                             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-13 18:43                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-13 18:43                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-14  8:07                               ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-14  8:07                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-18  4:43                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-18  4:43                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-18  9:56                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-07-18  9:56                                     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]               ` <20160709083715.GA29939-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-18 18:02                 ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-18 18:02                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-18 18:02                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-18 20:12                 ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-18 20:12                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-18 20:12                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-08 19:26         ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-08 19:26           ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]       ` <577E924C.6010406-gkUM19QKKo4@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-08 10:22         ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-08 10:22           ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-08 10:22           ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 7/9] generic syscalls: wire up memory protection keys syscalls Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 8/9] pkeys: add details of system call use to Documentation/ Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47 ` [PATCH 9/9] x86, pkeys: add self-tests Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 12:47   ` Dave Hansen
     [not found] ` <20160707124719.3F04C882-LXbPSdftPKxrdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-07 14:47   ` [PATCH 0/9] [REVIEW-REQUEST] [v4] System Calls for Memory Protection Keys Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 14:47     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 14:47     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-08 18:38   ` Hugh Dickins
2016-07-08 18:38     ` Hugh Dickins
2016-07-08 18:38     ` Hugh Dickins
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-06-09  0:01 [PATCH 0/9] [v3] " Dave Hansen
2016-06-09  0:01 ` [PATCH 6/9] x86, pkeys: add pkey set/get syscalls Dave Hansen
2016-06-09  0:01   ` Dave Hansen
2016-06-07 20:47 [PATCH 0/9] [v2] System Calls for Memory Protection Keys Dave Hansen
2016-06-07 20:47 ` [PATCH 6/9] x86, pkeys: add pkey set/get syscalls Dave Hansen
2016-06-07 20:47   ` Dave Hansen

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