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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: "Alexander Graf" <agraf@suse.de>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	linux-mips@linux-mips.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	"Marc Zyngier" <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	"James Hogan" <james.hogan@imgtec.com>,
	"Christoffer Dall" <cdall@linaro.org>,
	"Paul Mackerras" <paulus@ozlabs.org>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/2] KVM: use RCU to allow dynamic kvm->vcpus array
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:28:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170817112829.7795820a.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b69bc1e0-9d7b-5412-ba56-a5261d539a5b@redhat.com>

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:16:59 +0200
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 17/08/2017 09:36, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> >> What if we just sent a "vcpu move" request to all vcpus with the new 
> >> pointer after it moved? That way the vcpu thread itself would be 
> >> responsible for the migration to the new memory region. Only if all 
> >> vcpus successfully moved, keep rolling (and allow foreign get_vcpu again).
> >>
> >> That way we should be basically lock-less and scale well. For additional 
> >> icing, feel free to increase the vcpu array x2 every time it grows to 
> >> not run into the slow path too often.  
> > 
> > I'd prefer the rcu approach: This is a mechanism already understood
> > well, no need to come up with a new one that will likely have its own
> > share of problems.  
> 
> What Alex is proposing _is_ RCU, except with a homegrown
> synchronize_rcu.  Using kvm->srcu seems to be the best of both worlds.

I'm worried a bit about the 'homegrown' part, though.

I also may be misunderstanding what Alex means with "vcpu move"...

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: "Alexander Graf" <agraf@suse.de>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	linux-mips@linux-mips.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	"Marc Zyngier" <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	"James Hogan" <james.hogan@imgtec.com>,
	"Christoffer Dall" <cdall@linaro.org>,
	"Paul Mackerras" <paulus@ozlabs.org>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/2] KVM: use RCU to allow dynamic kvm->vcpus array
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:28:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170817112829.7795820a.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b69bc1e0-9d7b-5412-ba56-a5261d539a5b@redhat.com>

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:16:59 +0200
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 17/08/2017 09:36, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> >> What if we just sent a "vcpu move" request to all vcpus with the new 
> >> pointer after it moved? That way the vcpu thread itself would be 
> >> responsible for the migration to the new memory region. Only if all 
> >> vcpus successfully moved, keep rolling (and allow foreign get_vcpu again).
> >>
> >> That way we should be basically lock-less and scale well. For additional 
> >> icing, feel free to increase the vcpu array x2 every time it grows to 
> >> not run into the slow path too often.  
> > 
> > I'd prefer the rcu approach: This is a mechanism already understood
> > well, no need to come up with a new one that will likely have its own
> > share of problems.  
> 
> What Alex is proposing _is_ RCU, except with a homegrown
> synchronize_rcu.  Using kvm->srcu seems to be the best of both worlds.

I'm worried a bit about the 'homegrown' part, though.

I also may be misunderstanding what Alex means with "vcpu move"...

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: cohuck@redhat.com (Cornelia Huck)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH RFC 0/2] KVM: use RCU to allow dynamic kvm->vcpus array
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:28:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170817112829.7795820a.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b69bc1e0-9d7b-5412-ba56-a5261d539a5b@redhat.com>

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:16:59 +0200
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 17/08/2017 09:36, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> >> What if we just sent a "vcpu move" request to all vcpus with the new 
> >> pointer after it moved? That way the vcpu thread itself would be 
> >> responsible for the migration to the new memory region. Only if all 
> >> vcpus successfully moved, keep rolling (and allow foreign get_vcpu again).
> >>
> >> That way we should be basically lock-less and scale well. For additional 
> >> icing, feel free to increase the vcpu array x2 every time it grows to 
> >> not run into the slow path too often.  
> > 
> > I'd prefer the rcu approach: This is a mechanism already understood
> > well, no need to come up with a new one that will likely have its own
> > share of problems.  
> 
> What Alex is proposing _is_ RCU, except with a homegrown
> synchronize_rcu.  Using kvm->srcu seems to be the best of both worlds.

I'm worried a bit about the 'homegrown' part, though.

I also may be misunderstanding what Alex means with "vcpu move"...

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-17  9:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-16 19:40 [PATCH RFC 0/2] KVM: use RCU to allow dynamic kvm->vcpus array Radim Krčmář
2017-08-16 19:40 ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-16 19:40 ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-16 19:40 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] KVM: remove unused __KVM_HAVE_ARCH_VM_ALLOC Radim Krčmář
2017-08-16 19:40   ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-16 19:40   ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-21 13:48   ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-08-21 13:48     ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-08-21 13:48     ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-08-16 19:40 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] KVM: RCU protected dynamic vcpus array Radim Krčmář
2017-08-16 19:40   ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-16 19:40   ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-17  8:07   ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17  8:07     ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17  8:07     ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17  8:07     ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17 11:14   ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 11:14     ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 11:14     ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 16:50     ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-17 16:50       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-17 16:50       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-17 16:54       ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 16:54         ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 16:54         ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17  7:04 ` [PATCH RFC 0/2] KVM: use RCU to allow dynamic kvm->vcpus array Alexander Graf
2017-08-17  7:04   ` Alexander Graf
2017-08-17  7:04   ` Alexander Graf
2017-08-17  7:36   ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17  7:36     ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17  7:36     ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17  9:16     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17  9:16       ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17  9:16       ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17  9:16       ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17  9:28       ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2017-08-17  9:28         ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17  9:28         ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17  9:44         ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17  9:44           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17  9:44           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17  9:55           ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17  9:55             ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17  9:55             ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17  9:55             ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 10:18             ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 10:18               ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 10:18               ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 10:20               ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 10:20                 ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 10:20                 ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 10:23                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 10:23                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 10:23                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 10:31                   ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 10:31                     ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 10:31                     ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 14:54   ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-17 14:54     ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-17 14:54     ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-17 19:17     ` Alexander Graf
2017-08-17 19:17       ` Alexander Graf
2017-08-17 19:17       ` Alexander Graf
2017-08-18 14:10       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-18 14:10         ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-18 14:10         ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-18 14:22         ` Marc Zyngier
2017-08-18 14:22           ` Marc Zyngier
2017-08-18 14:22           ` Marc Zyngier
2017-08-17  7:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17  7:29   ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17  7:29   ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17  7:37   ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17  7:37     ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17  7:37     ` Cornelia Huck

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