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From: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
To: Eryu Guan <eguan@redhat.com>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	fstests@vger.kernel.org, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [fstests PATCH v2] xfs: add regression test for DAX mount option usage
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:42:27 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170915224227.GA9020@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170914065741.GH8034@eguan.usersys.redhat.com>

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 02:57:41PM +0800, Eryu Guan wrote:
> Hi Ross,
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 02:01:03PM -0600, Ross Zwisler wrote:
> > This adds a regression test for the following kernel patch:
> > 
> >   xfs: always use DAX if mount option is used
> > 
> > This test will also pass with kernel v4.14-rc1 and beyond because the XFS
> > DAX I/O mount option has been disabled (but not removed), so the
> > "chattr -x" to turn off DAX doesn't actually do anything.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
> > Suggested-by: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
> > ---
> > 
> > Changes since v1:
> >  - Use perf instead of tracepoints to detect whether DAX is used. (Dan)
> 
> Thanks for the test! But I agreed with Dave here, it doesn't seem like a
> good idea to depend on the kernel tracepoints in a test, but I can't
> think of a better solution either, so I didn't get to this patch
> earlier..
> 
> Before XFS disabled the ability to switch on & off per-inode DAX flag,
> the x flag was only shown after an explicit 'chattr +x', even if XFS was
> mounted with dax option, e.g.
> 
> # mkfs -t xfs -f /dev/ram0
> # mount -o dax /dev/ram0 /mnt/xfs
> # echo "test" > /mnt/xfs/testfile
> # xfs_io -c "lsattr" /mnt/xfs/testfile
> ---------------- /mnt/xfs/testfile
> # xfs_io -c "chattr +x" /mnt/xfs/testfile
> # xfs_io -c "lsattr" /mnt/xfs/testfile
> ---------------x /mnt/xfs/testfile

XFS actually still works this way, you just don't get dax now when you chattr
+x. :-/  But the inode flag is actually still there, gets updated by chattr
and can be listed with lsattr.

Actually, that feels like a really bad situation to be in - Christoph & Dave,
should we do more to remove the flag as long as it's not working?  i.e. remove
it from the lsattr output and make "chattr +x" fail with -EINVAL or similar?

> I'm wondering if it makes sense to make lsattr print the x flag by
> default when XFS is mounted with dax option, that way, we have a method
> to know whether dax is used or not on a particular file too.

Well, the per-inode flag that gets set in the filesystem metadata and the
actual S_DAX runtime flag which controls whether or not we do DAX I/O and page
faults are different things, and as we've seen they aren't always
synchronized.

I think making the 'x' flag in lsattr reflect the current state of S_DAX is
interesting, but it would suffer from the same TOCTOU races that Dave was
concerned about for the proposed VM_DAX flag:

https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/9/16/13

It could also be surprising to users - if they had mounted with -o dax, lsattr
on each of their files would show the 'x' flag, but if they remount without
that option those 'x' flags would go away.  I think this is surprising because
normally it takes a chattr to modify the flags.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
To: Eryu Guan <eguan@redhat.com>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org,
	"Darrick J.  Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	fstests@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [fstests PATCH v2] xfs: add regression test for DAX mount option usage
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:42:27 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170915224227.GA9020@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170914065741.GH8034@eguan.usersys.redhat.com>

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 02:57:41PM +0800, Eryu Guan wrote:
> Hi Ross,
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 02:01:03PM -0600, Ross Zwisler wrote:
> > This adds a regression test for the following kernel patch:
> > 
> >   xfs: always use DAX if mount option is used
> > 
> > This test will also pass with kernel v4.14-rc1 and beyond because the XFS
> > DAX I/O mount option has been disabled (but not removed), so the
> > "chattr -x" to turn off DAX doesn't actually do anything.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
> > Suggested-by: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
> > ---
> > 
> > Changes since v1:
> >  - Use perf instead of tracepoints to detect whether DAX is used. (Dan)
> 
> Thanks for the test! But I agreed with Dave here, it doesn't seem like a
> good idea to depend on the kernel tracepoints in a test, but I can't
> think of a better solution either, so I didn't get to this patch
> earlier..
> 
> Before XFS disabled the ability to switch on & off per-inode DAX flag,
> the x flag was only shown after an explicit 'chattr +x', even if XFS was
> mounted with dax option, e.g.
> 
> # mkfs -t xfs -f /dev/ram0
> # mount -o dax /dev/ram0 /mnt/xfs
> # echo "test" > /mnt/xfs/testfile
> # xfs_io -c "lsattr" /mnt/xfs/testfile
> ---------------- /mnt/xfs/testfile
> # xfs_io -c "chattr +x" /mnt/xfs/testfile
> # xfs_io -c "lsattr" /mnt/xfs/testfile
> ---------------x /mnt/xfs/testfile

XFS actually still works this way, you just don't get dax now when you chattr
+x. :-/  But the inode flag is actually still there, gets updated by chattr
and can be listed with lsattr.

Actually, that feels like a really bad situation to be in - Christoph & Dave,
should we do more to remove the flag as long as it's not working?  i.e. remove
it from the lsattr output and make "chattr +x" fail with -EINVAL or similar?

> I'm wondering if it makes sense to make lsattr print the x flag by
> default when XFS is mounted with dax option, that way, we have a method
> to know whether dax is used or not on a particular file too.

Well, the per-inode flag that gets set in the filesystem metadata and the
actual S_DAX runtime flag which controls whether or not we do DAX I/O and page
faults are different things, and as we've seen they aren't always
synchronized.

I think making the 'x' flag in lsattr reflect the current state of S_DAX is
interesting, but it would suffer from the same TOCTOU races that Dave was
concerned about for the proposed VM_DAX flag:

https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/9/16/13

It could also be surprising to users - if they had mounted with -o dax, lsattr
on each of their files would show the 'x' flag, but if they remount without
that option those 'x' flags would go away.  I think this is surprising because
normally it takes a chattr to modify the flags.
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-15 22:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-07 21:08 [PATCH 0/2] xfs: some DAX fixes Ross Zwisler
2017-09-07 21:08 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-07 21:08 ` [PATCH 1/2] xfs: always use DAX if mount option is used Ross Zwisler
2017-09-07 21:08   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-08  7:20   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-08  7:20     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-08 15:28     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-08 15:28       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-08 21:21       ` [PATCH] xfs: add regression test for DAX mount option usage Ross Zwisler
2017-09-08 21:21         ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-11 15:16         ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-11 15:16           ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-11 15:37           ` Dan Williams
2017-09-11 15:37             ` Dan Williams
2017-09-11 20:01             ` [fstests PATCH v2] " Ross Zwisler
2017-09-11 20:01               ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-14  6:57               ` Eryu Guan
2017-09-14  6:57                 ` Eryu Guan
2017-09-15 22:42                 ` Ross Zwisler [this message]
2017-09-15 22:42                   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-16 22:26                   ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-16 22:26                     ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-12  6:44         ` [PATCH] " Dave Chinner
2017-09-12  6:44           ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-12 15:38           ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-12 15:38             ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-12 23:47             ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-12 23:47               ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-13 14:42               ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-13 14:42                 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-13 22:01                 ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-13 22:01                   ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-13 22:23                   ` Dan Williams
2017-09-13 22:23                     ` Dan Williams
2017-09-13 23:34                     ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-13 23:34                       ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-14  0:28                       ` Dan Williams
2017-09-14  0:28                         ` Dan Williams
2017-09-14  0:40                         ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-14  0:40                           ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-14  1:24                           ` Dan Williams
2017-09-14  1:24                             ` Dan Williams
2017-09-14 12:19                             ` Jeff Moyer
2017-09-14 12:19                               ` Jeff Moyer
2017-09-14 13:16                               ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-09-14 13:16                                 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-09-14 14:10                                 ` Dan Williams
2017-09-14 14:10                                   ` Dan Williams
2017-09-15  9:18                                   ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-09-15  9:18                                     ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-09-15 17:39                                     ` Dan Williams
2017-09-15 17:39                                       ` Dan Williams
2017-09-18  7:47                                       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-09-18  7:47                                         ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-09-07 21:08 ` [PATCH 2/2] xfs: validate bdev support for DAX inode flag Ross Zwisler
2017-09-07 21:08   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-08  7:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-08  7:21     ` Christoph Hellwig

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