From: viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk (Al Viro)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH 3/3] ima: use fs method to read integrity data (updated patch description)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 17:38:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170917163828.GE5426@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyBhb_hQ84heyWnAP+1vn48Wjpnas0YSUY-R6Ej6bv_Dw@mail.gmail.com>
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 09:34:01AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Now, I suspect most (all?) do, but that's a historical artifact rather
> than "design". In particular, the VFS layer used to do the locking for
> the filesystems, to guarantee the POSIX requirements (POSIX requires
> that writes be seen atomically).
>
> But that lock was pushed down into the filesystems, since some
> filesystems really wanted to have parallel writes (particularly for
> direct IO, where that POSIX serialization requirement doesn't exist).
>
> That's all many years ago, though. New filesystems are likely to have
> copied the pattern from old ones, but even then..
>
> Also, it's worth noting that "inode->i_rwlock" isn't even well-defined
> as a lock. You can have the question of *which* inode gets talked
> about when you have things like eoverlayfs etc. Normally it would be
> obvious, but sometimes you'd use "file->f_mapping->host" (which is the
> same thing in the simple cases), and sometimes it really wouldn't be
> obvious at all..
>
> So... I'm really not at all convinced that i_rwsem is sensible. It's
> one of those things that are "mostly right for the simple cases",
> but...
The thing pretty much common to all of them is that write() might need
to modify permissions (suid removal), which brings ->i_rwsem in one
way or another - notify_change() needs that held...
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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
linux-ima-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>,
"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>, Chao Yu <yuchao0@huawei.com>,
Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>,
Bob Peterson <rpeterso@redhat.com>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Dave Kleikamp <shaggy@kernel.org>,
Ryusuke Konishi <konishi.ryusuke@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
Mark Fasheh <mfasheh@versity.com>,
Joel Becker <jlbec@evilplan.org>,
Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] ima: use fs method to read integrity data (updated patch description)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 17:38:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170917163828.GE5426@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyBhb_hQ84heyWnAP+1vn48Wjpnas0YSUY-R6Ej6bv_Dw@mail.gmail.com>
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 09:34:01AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Now, I suspect most (all?) do, but that's a historical artifact rather
> than "design". In particular, the VFS layer used to do the locking for
> the filesystems, to guarantee the POSIX requirements (POSIX requires
> that writes be seen atomically).
>
> But that lock was pushed down into the filesystems, since some
> filesystems really wanted to have parallel writes (particularly for
> direct IO, where that POSIX serialization requirement doesn't exist).
>
> That's all many years ago, though. New filesystems are likely to have
> copied the pattern from old ones, but even then..
>
> Also, it's worth noting that "inode->i_rwlock" isn't even well-defined
> as a lock. You can have the question of *which* inode gets talked
> about when you have things like eoverlayfs etc. Normally it would be
> obvious, but sometimes you'd use "file->f_mapping->host" (which is the
> same thing in the simple cases), and sometimes it really wouldn't be
> obvious at all..
>
> So... I'm really not at all convinced that i_rwsem is sensible. It's
> one of those things that are "mostly right for the simple cases",
> but...
The thing pretty much common to all of them is that write() might need
to modify permissions (suid removal), which brings ->i_rwsem in one
way or another - notify_change() needs that held...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-09-17 16:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-09-15 4:58 [PATCH 0/3] ima: only call integrity_kernel_read to calc file hash Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 4:58 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 4:58 ` [PATCH 1/3] vfs: constify path argument to kernel_read_file_from_path Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 4:58 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 18:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-15 18:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-15 4:58 ` [PATCH 2/3] integrity: replace call to integrity_read_file with kernel version Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 4:58 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 4:58 ` [PATCH 3/3] ima: use fs method to read integrity data Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 4:58 ` Mimi Zohar
[not found] ` <CA+55aFwVujvsdaq09O216u-uBbBbo5i_1d6aw3ksottR_uiJ6w@mail.gmail.com>
2017-09-15 9:04 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 9:04 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 9:09 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 9:09 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 18:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-15 18:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-15 14:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-15 14:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-15 15:21 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 15:21 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 20:25 ` [PATCH 3/3] ima: use fs method to read integrity data (updated patch description) Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 20:25 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-16 18:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-16 18:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-17 5:47 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-17 5:47 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-17 15:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-17 15:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-17 15:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-17 15:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-17 15:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-17 15:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-17 16:15 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-17 16:15 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-17 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-17 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-17 16:38 ` Al Viro [this message]
2017-09-17 16:38 ` Al Viro
2017-09-18 9:19 ` Steven Whitehouse
2017-09-18 9:19 ` Steven Whitehouse
2017-09-18 10:13 ` Jan Kara
2017-09-18 10:13 ` Jan Kara
2017-09-18 14:55 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-18 14:55 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-24 22:55 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-24 22:55 ` Mimi Zohar
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