From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Weil <sw@weilnetz.de>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
"Dmitry Fleytman" <dmitry.fleytman@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qemu: include generated files with <> and not ""
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:10:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180320185130-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b068cb91-b8ba-175c-40f5-a7c9c8163575@weilnetz.de>
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 05:33:42PM +0100, Stefan Weil wrote:
> Using <> for system include files and "" for local include files is a
> convention, and as far as I know most projects adhere to that
> convention. So does QEMU currently. Such conventions are not only
> important for humans, but also for tools. There are more tools than the
> C preprocessor which handle <> and "" differently. For example the GNU
> compiler uses -MD or -MMD to automatically generate dependency rules for
> make. While -MD generates dependencies to all include files, -MMD does
> so only for user include files, but not for system include files. "user"
> and "system" means the different forms how include statements are
> written. QEMU still seems to use -MMD:
>
> rules.mak:QEMU_DGFLAGS += -MMD -MP -MT $@ -MF $(@D)/$(*F).d
To my knowledge, and according to my limited testing,
system headers in this context means
the default ones not supplied with -I.
If I had to guess, that is the definition most other tools
are likely to use.
>
> Other tools like static code analysers could restrict their warning and
> error messages to user include files and ignore problems in system
> include files.
Could you give some exacmples of tools like that?
IMHO they would not work correctly if they did not treat
include directives the way compiler does.
C standard is pretty explicit that the only difference
is extra directories searched:
A preprocessing directive of the form
# include "q-char-sequence" new-line
causes the replacement of that directive by the entire contents of the source file identified
by the specified sequence between the " delimiters. The named source file is searched
for in an implementation-defined manner. If this search is not supported, or if the search
fails, the directive is reprocessed as if it read
# include <h-char-sequence> new-line
with the identical contained sequence (including > characters, if any) from the original
directive.
> Very large projects often split in sub projects, maybe one of them
> describing the API. Then that API headers are similar to system headers
> and can be included using <>, although they still belong to the same
> larger project. Do we have a stable QEMU API described in a (small)
> number of include files which typically do not change? If yes, then
> those include files could be included using <> because we don't need
> them in dependency lists or in static code analysis reports.
>
> For all other QEMU include files, I'd stick to using "".
>
> Regards
> Stefan
Most people know that system headers are the ones in /usr/include
The distinction that they are pulled in with include ""
is a QEMU construct.
If we want to be able to distinguish between internal and
external headers, the standard way to do it
in C is by prefixing the names with qemu/ qemu- or qemu_.
In fact we kind of already do this - if you see a name with
a slash in there you can be pretty sure it's internal
to qemu.
Exceptions are elf.h glib-compat.h and the generated trace.h.
Let's
mv include/* include/qemu/ ?
--
MST
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Weil <sw@weilnetz.de>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
Dmitry Fleytman <dmitry.fleytman@gmail.com>,
sheepdog@lists.wpkg.org,
Pavel Dovgalyuk <pavel.dovgaluk@ispras.ru>,
Li Zhijian <lizhijian@cn.fujitsu.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Jeff Cody <jcody@redhat.com>,
Mark Cave-Ayland <mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com>,
Max Filippov <jcmvbkbc@gmail.com>,
Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.com>,
Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
"Edgar E. Iglesias" <edgar.iglesias@gmail.com>,
Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>, Yongbok Kim <yongbok.kim@mips.com>,
Josh Durgin <jdurgin@redhat.com>,
Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
Alberto Garcia <berto@igalia.com>,
zhanghailiang <zhang.zhanghailiang@huawei.com>,
Ben Warren <ben@skyportsystems.com>, Stefan Berger <stefan>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qemu: include generated files with <> and not ""
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:10:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180320185130-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b068cb91-b8ba-175c-40f5-a7c9c8163575@weilnetz.de>
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 05:33:42PM +0100, Stefan Weil wrote:
> Using <> for system include files and "" for local include files is a
> convention, and as far as I know most projects adhere to that
> convention. So does QEMU currently. Such conventions are not only
> important for humans, but also for tools. There are more tools than the
> C preprocessor which handle <> and "" differently. For example the GNU
> compiler uses -MD or -MMD to automatically generate dependency rules for
> make. While -MD generates dependencies to all include files, -MMD does
> so only for user include files, but not for system include files. "user"
> and "system" means the different forms how include statements are
> written. QEMU still seems to use -MMD:
>
> rules.mak:QEMU_DGFLAGS += -MMD -MP -MT $@ -MF $(@D)/$(*F).d
To my knowledge, and according to my limited testing,
system headers in this context means
the default ones not supplied with -I.
If I had to guess, that is the definition most other tools
are likely to use.
>
> Other tools like static code analysers could restrict their warning and
> error messages to user include files and ignore problems in system
> include files.
Could you give some exacmples of tools like that?
IMHO they would not work correctly if they did not treat
include directives the way compiler does.
C standard is pretty explicit that the only difference
is extra directories searched:
A preprocessing directive of the form
# include "q-char-sequence" new-line
causes the replacement of that directive by the entire contents of the source file identified
by the specified sequence between the " delimiters. The named source file is searched
for in an implementation-defined manner. If this search is not supported, or if the search
fails, the directive is reprocessed as if it read
# include <h-char-sequence> new-line
with the identical contained sequence (including > characters, if any) from the original
directive.
> Very large projects often split in sub projects, maybe one of them
> describing the API. Then that API headers are similar to system headers
> and can be included using <>, although they still belong to the same
> larger project. Do we have a stable QEMU API described in a (small)
> number of include files which typically do not change? If yes, then
> those include files could be included using <> because we don't need
> them in dependency lists or in static code analysis reports.
>
> For all other QEMU include files, I'd stick to using "".
>
> Regards
> Stefan
Most people know that system headers are the ones in /usr/include
The distinction that they are pulled in with include ""
is a QEMU construct.
If we want to be able to distinguish between internal and
external headers, the standard way to do it
in C is by prefixing the names with qemu/ qemu- or qemu_.
In fact we kind of already do this - if you see a name with
a slash in there you can be pretty sure it's internal
to qemu.
Exceptions are elf.h glib-compat.h and the generated trace.h.
Let's
mv include/* include/qemu/ ?
--
MST
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Weil <sw@weilnetz.de>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
Dmitry Fleytman <dmitry.fleytman@gmail.com>,
sheepdog@lists.wpkg.org,
Pavel Dovgalyuk <pavel.dovgaluk@ispras.ru>,
Li Zhijian <lizhijian@cn.fujitsu.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Jeff Cody <jcody@redhat.com>,
Mark Cave-Ayland <mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com>,
Max Filippov <jcmvbkbc@gmail.com>,
Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.com>,
Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
"Edgar E. Iglesias" <edgar.iglesias@gmail.com>,
Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>, Yongbok Kim <yongbok.kim@mips.com>,
Josh Durgin <jdurgin@redhat.com>,
Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
Alberto Garcia <berto@igalia.com>,
zhanghailiang <zhang.zhanghailiang@huawei.com>,
Ben Warren <ben@skyportsystems.com>,
Stefan Berger <stefan
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qemu: include generated files with <> and not ""
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:10:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180320185130-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b068cb91-b8ba-175c-40f5-a7c9c8163575@weilnetz.de>
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 05:33:42PM +0100, Stefan Weil wrote:
> Using <> for system include files and "" for local include files is a
> convention, and as far as I know most projects adhere to that
> convention. So does QEMU currently. Such conventions are not only
> important for humans, but also for tools. There are more tools than the
> C preprocessor which handle <> and "" differently. For example the GNU
> compiler uses -MD or -MMD to automatically generate dependency rules for
> make. While -MD generates dependencies to all include files, -MMD does
> so only for user include files, but not for system include files. "user"
> and "system" means the different forms how include statements are
> written. QEMU still seems to use -MMD:
>
> rules.mak:QEMU_DGFLAGS += -MMD -MP -MT $@ -MF $(@D)/$(*F).d
To my knowledge, and according to my limited testing,
system headers in this context means
the default ones not supplied with -I.
If I had to guess, that is the definition most other tools
are likely to use.
>
> Other tools like static code analysers could restrict their warning and
> error messages to user include files and ignore problems in system
> include files.
Could you give some exacmples of tools like that?
IMHO they would not work correctly if they did not treat
include directives the way compiler does.
C standard is pretty explicit that the only difference
is extra directories searched:
A preprocessing directive of the form
# include "q-char-sequence" new-line
causes the replacement of that directive by the entire contents of the source file identified
by the specified sequence between the " delimiters. The named source file is searched
for in an implementation-defined manner. If this search is not supported, or if the search
fails, the directive is reprocessed as if it read
# include <h-char-sequence> new-line
with the identical contained sequence (including > characters, if any) from the original
directive.
> Very large projects often split in sub projects, maybe one of them
> describing the API. Then that API headers are similar to system headers
> and can be included using <>, although they still belong to the same
> larger project. Do we have a stable QEMU API described in a (small)
> number of include files which typically do not change? If yes, then
> those include files could be included using <> because we don't need
> them in dependency lists or in static code analysis reports.
>
> For all other QEMU include files, I'd stick to using "".
>
> Regards
> Stefan
Most people know that system headers are the ones in /usr/include
The distinction that they are pulled in with include ""
is a QEMU construct.
If we want to be able to distinguish between internal and
external headers, the standard way to do it
in C is by prefixing the names with qemu/ qemu- or qemu_.
In fact we kind of already do this - if you see a name with
a slash in there you can be pretty sure it's internal
to qemu.
Exceptions are elf.h glib-compat.h and the generated trace.h.
Let's
mv include/* include/qemu/ ?
--
MST
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2018-03-20 1:54 [Qemu-arm] [PATCH] qemu: include generated files with <> and not "" Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 1:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 8:58 ` [Qemu-arm] " Laurent Vivier
2018-03-20 8:58 ` Laurent Vivier
2018-03-20 8:58 ` Laurent Vivier
2018-03-20 9:44 ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 9:44 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 9:44 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2018-03-20 10:01 ` Peter Maydell
2018-03-20 10:01 ` Peter Maydell
2018-03-20 10:27 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 10:27 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 10:27 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 11:52 ` [Qemu-arm] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 11:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 11:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 12:12 ` [Qemu-arm] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 12:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 12:18 ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 12:18 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 12:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 12:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 12:39 ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 12:39 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 12:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 12:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 13:32 ` [Qemu-arm] " Gerd Hoffmann
2018-03-20 13:32 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-03-20 13:32 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-03-20 13:41 ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 13:41 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 13:41 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 13:50 ` [Qemu-arm] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 13:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 13:58 ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 13:58 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 14:02 ` [Qemu-arm] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 14:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 13:54 ` [Qemu-arm] " Max Reitz
2018-03-20 13:54 ` Max Reitz
2018-03-20 13:54 ` Max Reitz
2018-03-20 17:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 17:12 ` [Qemu-arm] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 17:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 13:46 ` [Qemu-arm] " Thomas Huth
2018-03-20 13:46 ` Thomas Huth
2018-03-20 13:46 ` Thomas Huth
2018-03-20 13:53 ` [Qemu-arm] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 13:53 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 12:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 12:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 12:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-21 7:16 ` [Qemu-ppc] " Thomas Huth
2018-03-21 7:16 ` [Qemu-arm] " Thomas Huth
2018-03-21 7:16 ` Thomas Huth
2018-03-21 13:08 ` [Qemu-arm] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-21 13:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-21 13:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-21 13:15 ` [Qemu-arm] " Stefan Weil
2018-03-21 13:15 ` Stefan Weil
2018-03-21 13:24 ` [Qemu-arm] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-21 13:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-21 13:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-21 13:15 ` Stefan Weil
2018-03-21 13:29 ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-21 13:29 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-21 13:29 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-21 13:42 ` [Qemu-arm] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-21 13:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-21 13:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 13:05 ` [Qemu-arm] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 13:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 13:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 13:10 ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-03-20 13:10 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-03-20 13:10 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-03-20 13:30 ` [Qemu-arm] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 13:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 13:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 16:12 ` [Qemu-arm] " Eric Blake
2018-03-20 16:12 ` Eric Blake
2018-03-20 16:40 ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 16:40 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 16:40 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 16:51 ` [Qemu-arm] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 16:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 16:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 16:12 ` Eric Blake
2018-03-20 16:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Weil
2018-03-20 16:33 ` [Qemu-arm] " Stefan Weil
2018-03-20 16:33 ` Stefan Weil
2018-03-20 17:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2018-03-20 17:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 17:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 17:34 ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 17:34 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 17:49 ` [Qemu-arm] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 17:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 17:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-20 17:34 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 17:36 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 17:36 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-20 17:36 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
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