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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: August Zeller <augzeller@gmail.com>
Cc: users@kernel.org, Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linking Patchwork with Sashiko?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2026 19:03:50 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260721160350.GD536385@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <eab30fce0d18137800ce7a77ee1083f11aa1a770.camel@gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 05:10:11PM +0200, August Zeller wrote:
> The frustrating part of this situation is how everyone arguing on both
> sides is right in some way.
> 
> 1. The tools work, yes. This used to be up for debate until recently,
> but now it's clear that AI can enhance contributor *and* maintainer
> productivity in the kernel if used correctly.
> 
> 2. On the other hand, it is also true that LLMs and derived tools are a
> comprehensive manifestation of the problems of the industry and there
> are valid ethical concerns regarding access discrimination, copyright,
> workload externalization, job loss, etc.
> 
> 3. However, a "no AI used" policy is unenforcible. Many people would
> use these tools regardless without announcing it, which is the worse
> outcome. If we're transparent about our AI usage, then at least
> everyone is aware and can treat the affected code with the right level
> of scrutiny.
> 
> 4. Moreover, a "no AI used" policy isn't the best thing to do
> technically, as AI has proven to be very useful to catch bugs, review
> code, and even write some new code. Some critical bugs that we could've
> caught with AI *will* slip under the radar if we refuse to use those
> tools, while bad actors will gladly use the newest models to find
> exploits.

I don't think there's much disagreement on all that. I'm not aware of
anyone trying to get the kernel to adopt a "no AI" policy.

> Overall, even though I've been known as a great AI skeptic in the past,
> I'm with Linus on this issue. *Accepting and embracing AI may not be a
> desirable thing to do, but the alternative is even worse.*

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-07-21 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2026-05-30  8:30         ` Linking Patchwork with Sashiko? Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-30 15:57           ` Roman Gushchin
2026-05-30 18:00             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-30 18:49               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-30 18:53                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 15:51                   ` Derek Barbosa
2026-06-02 16:51                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 18:39                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-02 20:29                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 20:13                     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-06-02 20:39                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 20:44                         ` Roman Gushchin
2026-06-02 23:50                         ` Matthieu Baerts
2026-06-03  3:35                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-03  3:49                             ` Roman Gushchin
2026-06-04  6:52                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-07 17:56                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-30 20:32                               ` Derek Barbosa
2026-07-10  5:45                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-10  6:39                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-11  1:01                                     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-13  7:55                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-13  9:41                                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-13 20:04                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-14 22:55                                             ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15  0:59                                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15  2:00                                                 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15  3:06                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-15 12:21                                                     ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-15 16:50                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-15 18:13                                                       ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-15 19:12                                                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 19:27                                                           ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-15 20:03                                                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-16 15:04                                                       ` August Zeller
2026-07-15 16:43                                                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 23:28                                                     ` lyude
2026-07-15  7:59                                                   ` Jacopo Mondi
2026-07-15  8:40                                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-15 17:31                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-16  8:07                                                       ` Jacopo Mondi
2026-07-17  9:40                                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-07-17 12:20                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-17 13:25                                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-20 13:55                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-20 14:26                                                               ` Mark Brown
2026-07-20 18:24                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-21 16:42                                                                   ` Mark Brown
2026-07-21 19:15                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-21 17:12                                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-21 19:18                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-20 19:16                                                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-21 15:43                                                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-17 15:22                                                           ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-21 16:27                                                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 12:38                                                   ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 16:28                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 21:08                                                     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15 23:20                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-16  0:09                                                         ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-20 13:36                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-21  0:34                                                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2026-07-17 12:32                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-20 18:08                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-21 18:25                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-21 19:25                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-15  3:54                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15  7:13                                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-15 12:42                                                     ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 16:18                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 16:53                                                         ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 17:09                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 16:11                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 17:00                                                     ` Jan Kara
2026-07-15 20:28                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 20:36                                                         ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 20:42                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-16  0:14                                                             ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-16  7:04                                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-15 23:32                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-16  0:03                                                           ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-21 16:01                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-16  7:21                                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-16 13:33                                                         ` Jan Kara
2026-07-16 18:24                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2026-07-15 17:14                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15 17:35                                                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-07-15 17:41                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 18:18                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-15 18:51                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 19:14                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-15 20:13                                                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-16  9:20                                                                 ` Giacomo Tesio
2026-07-16 15:10                                                                 ` August Zeller
2026-07-16 20:54                                                                   ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-21 16:03                                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2026-07-15 16:28                                                 ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-07-15 16:39                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 17:12                                                     ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-07-15 17:35                                                       ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 18:39                                                         ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-07-15 20:32                                                           ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 19:06                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 21:13                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-16  3:00                                                           ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-16  3:53                                                             ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-16  7:55                                                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-16 20:54                                                               ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-16 22:30                                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-07-16  6:23                                                           ` Jai Luthra
2026-07-16 12:32                                                             ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15 17:41                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-15 19:10                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 19:55                                                         ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 19:38                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
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