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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas@ndufresne.ca>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Jacopo Mondi <jacopo.mondi@ideasonboard.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org>,
	Derek Barbosa <debarbos@redhat.com>,
	Matthieu Baerts <matttbe@kernel.org>,
	Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	users@kernel.org,
	Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	Stephen Finucane <stephenfin@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Linking Patchwork with Sashiko?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2026 19:27:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260721162733.GE536385@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2c31712c1062798d76a9e4272f7f49e007f53cd7.camel@ndufresne.ca>

On Fri, Jul 17, 2026 at 11:22:17AM -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
> Hi Ted,
> 
> Le vendredi 17 juillet 2026 à 08:20 -0400, Theodore Tso a écrit :
> > I think the other difference is that in the media subsystem, you can
> > rely on the userspace code being "nice"
> 
> just wanted to clarify, said this way, it sounds terribly bad and quite off to
> me. Relying on userspace being nice is not what we want to do, or aim to do.
> Linux Media is framework based, meaning there is framework sitting in front of
> drivers that filters bad ioctl calls.

I can't speak for all contributors, but I'm certainly not aware of
anyone in the media subsystem considering that issues on the kernel side
are fine because userspace will not normally exercise the API in certain
ways. I hope that no kernel subsystem handle security by relying on
userspace to never be adversarial.

> This is where Sashiko analyses isn't
> always profond enough, or where Sashiko will propose driver changes rather then
> framework changes. I'm quite convince this has a lot to do in the model choice,
> and some compromise between precision / speed (or cost).

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-21 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2026-05-30  8:30         ` Linking Patchwork with Sashiko? Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-30 15:57           ` Roman Gushchin
2026-05-30 18:00             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-30 18:49               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-30 18:53                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 15:51                   ` Derek Barbosa
2026-06-02 16:51                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 18:39                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-02 20:29                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 20:13                     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-06-02 20:39                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 20:44                         ` Roman Gushchin
2026-06-02 23:50                         ` Matthieu Baerts
2026-06-03  3:35                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-03  3:49                             ` Roman Gushchin
2026-06-04  6:52                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-07 17:56                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-30 20:32                               ` Derek Barbosa
2026-07-10  5:45                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-10  6:39                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-11  1:01                                     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-13  7:55                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-13  9:41                                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-13 20:04                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-14 22:55                                             ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15  0:59                                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15  2:00                                                 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15  3:06                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-15 12:21                                                     ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-15 16:50                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-15 18:13                                                       ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-15 19:12                                                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 19:27                                                           ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-15 20:03                                                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-16 15:04                                                       ` August Zeller
2026-07-15 16:43                                                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 23:28                                                     ` lyude
2026-07-15  7:59                                                   ` Jacopo Mondi
2026-07-15  8:40                                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-15 17:31                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-16  8:07                                                       ` Jacopo Mondi
2026-07-17  9:40                                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-07-17 12:20                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-17 13:25                                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-20 13:55                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-20 14:26                                                               ` Mark Brown
2026-07-20 18:24                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-21 16:42                                                                   ` Mark Brown
2026-07-21 19:15                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-21 17:12                                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-21 19:18                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-20 19:16                                                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-21 15:43                                                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-17 15:22                                                           ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-21 16:27                                                             ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2026-07-15 12:38                                                   ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 16:28                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 21:08                                                     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15 23:20                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-16  0:09                                                         ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-20 13:36                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-21  0:34                                                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2026-07-17 12:32                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-20 18:08                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-22  4:05                                                           ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-21 18:25                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-21 19:25                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-21 22:46                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-21 23:41                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-15  3:54                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15  7:13                                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-15 12:42                                                     ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 16:18                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 16:53                                                         ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 17:09                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 16:11                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 17:00                                                     ` Jan Kara
2026-07-15 20:28                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 20:36                                                         ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 20:42                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-16  0:14                                                             ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-16  7:04                                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-15 23:32                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-16  0:03                                                           ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-21 16:01                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-16  7:21                                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-16 13:33                                                         ` Jan Kara
2026-07-21 22:43                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-21 23:44                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-16 18:24                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2026-07-15 17:14                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15 17:35                                                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-07-15 17:41                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 18:18                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-15 18:51                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 19:14                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-15 20:13                                                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-16  9:20                                                                 ` Giacomo Tesio
2026-07-16 15:10                                                                 ` August Zeller
2026-07-16 20:54                                                                   ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-21 16:03                                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 16:28                                                 ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-07-15 16:39                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 17:12                                                     ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-07-15 17:35                                                       ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 18:39                                                         ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-07-15 20:32                                                           ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 19:06                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 21:13                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-16  3:00                                                           ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-16  3:53                                                             ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-16  7:55                                                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-16 20:54                                                               ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-16 22:30                                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-07-16  6:23                                                           ` Jai Luthra
2026-07-16 12:32                                                             ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15 17:41                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-15 19:10                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 19:55                                                         ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 19:38                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-07-15 21:27 voste62ocr

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