From: Paul Moore <pmoore@redhat.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: eric.dumazet@gmail.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
mvadkert@redhat.com, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tcp: assign the sock correctly to an outgoing SYNACK packet
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:24:50 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2921619.mqaHl5PnPI@sifl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130408.171512.973275376690340387.davem@davemloft.net>
On Monday, April 08, 2013 05:15:12 PM David Miller wrote:
> From: Paul Moore <pmoore@redhat.com>
> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:10:43 -0400
>
> > On Monday, April 08, 2013 02:32:00 PM Paul Moore wrote:
> >> On Monday, April 08, 2013 02:12:01 PM Paul Moore wrote:
> >> > On Monday, April 08, 2013 10:47:47 AM Eric Dumazet wrote:
> >> > > On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 13:40 -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
> >> > > > Sort of a similar problem, but not really the same. Also,
> >> > > > arguably,
> >> > > > there is no real associated sock/socket for a RST so orphaning the
> >> > > > packet makes sense. In the case of a SYNACK we can, and should,
> >> > > > associate the packet with a sock/socket.
> >> > >
> >> > > What is the intent ?
> >> >
> >> > We have to do a number of painful things in SELinux because we aren't
> >> > allowed a proper security blob (void *security) in a sk_buff. One of
> >> > those things ...
> >>
> >> Actually, I wonder if this problem means it is a good time to revisit the
> >> no- security-blob-in-sk_buff decision? The management of the blob would
> >> be hidden behind the LSM hooks like everything else and it would have a
> >> number of advantages including making problems like we are seeing here
> >> easier to fix or avoid entirely. It would also make life much easier for
> >> those of working on LSM stuff and it would pave the way for including
> >> network access controls in the stacked-LSM stuff Casey is kicking around.
> >
> > No comment, or am I just too anxious?
>
> There is no way I'm putting LSM overhead into sk_buff, it's already
> too big.
If the void pointer is wrapped by a #ifdef (plenty of precedence for that) and
the management of that pointer is handled by LSM hooks why is it a concern? I
apologize for pushing on the issue, but I'm having a hard time reconciling the
reason for the "no" with the comments/decisions about the regression fix; at
present there seems to be a level of contradiction between the two.
> I didn't comment because it wasn't worth a comment, but since you're
> pushing me on the issue, I'll make the no explicit.
--
paul moore
security and virtualization @ redhat
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From: Paul Moore <pmoore@redhat.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: eric.dumazet@gmail.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
mvadkert@redhat.com, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tcp: assign the sock correctly to an outgoing SYNACK packet
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:24:50 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2921619.mqaHl5PnPI@sifl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130408.171512.973275376690340387.davem@davemloft.net>
On Monday, April 08, 2013 05:15:12 PM David Miller wrote:
> From: Paul Moore <pmoore@redhat.com>
> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:10:43 -0400
>
> > On Monday, April 08, 2013 02:32:00 PM Paul Moore wrote:
> >> On Monday, April 08, 2013 02:12:01 PM Paul Moore wrote:
> >> > On Monday, April 08, 2013 10:47:47 AM Eric Dumazet wrote:
> >> > > On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 13:40 -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
> >> > > > Sort of a similar problem, but not really the same. Also,
> >> > > > arguably,
> >> > > > there is no real associated sock/socket for a RST so orphaning the
> >> > > > packet makes sense. In the case of a SYNACK we can, and should,
> >> > > > associate the packet with a sock/socket.
> >> > >
> >> > > What is the intent ?
> >> >
> >> > We have to do a number of painful things in SELinux because we aren't
> >> > allowed a proper security blob (void *security) in a sk_buff. One of
> >> > those things ...
> >>
> >> Actually, I wonder if this problem means it is a good time to revisit the
> >> no- security-blob-in-sk_buff decision? The management of the blob would
> >> be hidden behind the LSM hooks like everything else and it would have a
> >> number of advantages including making problems like we are seeing here
> >> easier to fix or avoid entirely. It would also make life much easier for
> >> those of working on LSM stuff and it would pave the way for including
> >> network access controls in the stacked-LSM stuff Casey is kicking around.
> >
> > No comment, or am I just too anxious?
>
> There is no way I'm putting LSM overhead into sk_buff, it's already
> too big.
If the void pointer is wrapped by a #ifdef (plenty of precedence for that) and
the management of that pointer is handled by LSM hooks why is it a concern? I
apologize for pushing on the issue, but I'm having a hard time reconciling the
reason for the "no" with the comments/decisions about the regression fix; at
present there seems to be a level of contradiction between the two.
> I didn't comment because it wasn't worth a comment, but since you're
> pushing me on the issue, I'll make the no explicit.
--
paul moore
security and virtualization @ redhat
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-08 21:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-04-08 15:45 [PATCH] tcp: assign the sock correctly to an outgoing SYNACK packet Paul Moore
2013-04-08 16:14 ` David Miller
2013-04-08 17:22 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 17:36 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 17:40 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 17:47 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 18:01 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 18:12 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 18:21 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 18:26 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 18:34 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 18:30 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 20:37 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 20:44 ` David Miller
2013-04-08 20:53 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 20:55 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 21:09 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 21:14 ` David Miller
2013-04-08 21:17 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 3:58 ` [PATCH] selinux: add a skb_owned_by() hook Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 4:29 ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09 4:41 ` David Miller
2013-04-09 5:14 ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09 11:39 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 6:24 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 11:45 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 7:38 ` James Morris
2013-04-09 12:06 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 17:23 ` David Miller
2013-04-08 18:32 ` [PATCH] tcp: assign the sock correctly to an outgoing SYNACK packet Paul Moore
2013-04-08 18:32 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 21:10 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 21:10 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 21:15 ` David Miller
2013-04-08 21:24 ` Paul Moore [this message]
2013-04-08 21:24 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 21:33 ` David Miller
2013-04-08 22:01 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 22:01 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 22:08 ` David Miller
2013-04-08 23:40 ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-08 23:40 ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09 0:33 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 0:59 ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09 0:59 ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09 1:09 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 1:24 ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09 1:24 ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09 13:19 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 13:19 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 13:33 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 13:33 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 14:00 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 14:19 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 14:19 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 14:31 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 14:52 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 14:52 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 15:05 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 15:05 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 15:07 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 15:17 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 15:17 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 15:32 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 15:57 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 15:57 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 16:11 ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09 16:11 ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09 16:56 ` David Miller
2013-04-09 17:00 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 17:00 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 17:09 ` David Miller
2013-04-09 17:10 ` David Miller
2013-04-09 14:05 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-04-09 14:10 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 14:10 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 21:34 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-04-08 19:25 ` David Miller
2013-04-08 16:19 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 18:03 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-04-08 18:12 ` Paul Moore
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