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From: H L <swdevyid@yahoo.com>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Yu Zhao <yu.zhao@intel.com>,
	randy.dunlap@oracle.com, grundler@parisc-linux.org,
	achiang@hp.com, matthew@wil.cx, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	rdreier@cisco.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	mingo@elte.hu
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:05:39 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <392264.50990.qm@web45103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081106164919.GA4099@kroah.com>


--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:
 
> On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 08:41:53AM -0800, H L wrote:
> > I have not modified any existing drivers, but instead
> I threw together
> > a bare-bones module enabling me to make a call to
> pci_iov_register()
> > and then poke at an SR-IOV adapter's /sys entries
> for which no driver
> > was loaded.
> > 
> > It appears from my perusal thus far that drivers using
> these new
> > SR-IOV patches will require modification; i.e. the
> driver associated
> > with the Physical Function (PF) will be required to
> make the
> > pci_iov_register() call along with the requisite
> notify() function.
> > Essentially this suggests to me a model for the PF
> driver to perform
> > any "global actions" or setup on behalf of
> VFs before enabling them
> > after which VF drivers could be associated.
> 
> Where would the VF drivers have to be associated?  On the
> "pci_dev"
> level or on a higher one?


I have not yet fully grocked Yu Zhao's model to answer this.  That said, I would *hope* to find it on the "pci_dev" level.


> Will all drivers that want to bind to a "VF"
> device need to be
> rewritten?

Not necessarily, or perhaps minimally; depends on hardware/firmware and actions the driver wants to take.  An example here might assist.  Let's just say someone has created, oh, I don't know, maybe an SR-IOV NIC.  Now, for 'general' I/O operations to pass network traffic back and forth there would ideally be no difference in the actions and therefore behavior of a PF driver and a VF driver.  But, what do you do in the instance a VF wants to change link-speed?  As that physical characteristic affects all VFs, how do you handle that?  This is where the hardware/firmware implementation part comes to play.  If a VF driver performs some actions to initiate the change in link speed, the logic in the adapter could be anything like:

1.  Acknowledge the request as if it were really done, but effectively ignore it.  The Independent Hardware Vendor (IHV) might dictate that if you want to change any "global" characteristics of an adapter, you may only do so via the PF driver.  Granted, this, depending on the device class, may just not be acceptable.

2.  Acknowledge the request and then trigger an interrupt to the PF driver to have it assist.  The PF driver might then just set the new link-speed, or it could result in a PF driver communicating by some mechanism to all of the VF driver instances that this change of link-speed was requested.

3.  Acknowledge the request and perform inner PF and VF communication of this event within the logic of the card (e.g. to "vote" on whether or not to perform this action) with interrupts and associated status delivered to all PF and VF drivers.

The list goes on.

> 
> > I have so far only seen Yu Zhao's
> "7-patch" set.  I've not yet looked
> > at his subsequently tendered "15-patch" set
> so I don't know what has
> > changed.    The hardware/firmware implementation for
> any given SR-IOV
> > compatible device, will determine the extent of
> differences required
> > between a PF driver and a VF driver.
> 
> Yeah, that's what I'm worried/curious about. 
> Without seeing the code
> for such a driver, how can we properly evaluate if this
> infrastructure
> is the correct one and the proper way to do all of this?


As the example above demonstrates, that's a tough question to answer.  Ideally, in my view, there would only be one driver written per SR-IOV device and it would contain the logic to "do the right things" based on whether its running as a PF or VF with that determination easily accomplished by testing the existence of the SR-IOV extended capability.    Then, in an effort to minimize (if not eliminate) the complexities of driver-to-driver actions for fielding "global events", contain as much of the logic as is possible within the adapter.  Minimizing the efforts required for the device driver writers in my opinion paves the way to greater adoption of this technology.



      


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-06 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 244+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-22  8:38 [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:40 ` [PATCH 1/16 v6] PCI: remove unnecessary arg of pci_update_resource() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:40 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:40 ` [PATCH 2/16 v6] PCI: define PCI resource names in an 'enum' Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:40 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:24   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:44     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:44       ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:51       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:53         ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:53           ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:51       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:24   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-11-14  0:43   ` Simon Horman
2008-10-22  8:41 ` [PATCH 3/16 v6] PCI: export __pci_read_base Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:41 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:41 ` [PATCH 4/16 v6] PCI: make pci_alloc_child_bus() be able to handle NULL bridge Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:41 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:41 ` [PATCH 5/16 v6] PCI: add a wrapper for resource_alignment() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:41 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:42 ` [PATCH 6/16 v6] PCI: add a new function to map BAR offset Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:42 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:42 ` [PATCH 7/16 v6] PCI: cleanup pcibios_allocate_resources() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:42 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-23  7:10   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-10-23  7:10   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-10-23  6:50     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-23  6:50     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:43 ` [PATCH 8/16 v6] PCI: add boot options to reassign resources Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:43 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:35   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:49     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:49     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:35   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22  8:43 ` [PATCH 9/16 v6] PCI: add boot option to align MMIO resources Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:34   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:34   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:52     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:52     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:43 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:43 ` [PATCH 10/16 v6] PCI: cleanup pci_bus_add_devices() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:43 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` [PATCH 11/16 v6] PCI: split a new function from pci_bus_add_devices() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` [PATCH 12/16 v6] PCI: support the SR-IOV capability Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` [PATCH 13/16 v6] PCI: reserve bus range for SR-IOV device Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:45 ` [PATCH 14/16 v6] PCI: document for SR-IOV user and developer Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:45 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:45 ` [PATCH 15/16 v6] PCI: document the SR-IOV sysfs entries Yu Zhao
2008-11-06  4:33   ` Greg KH
2008-11-06  4:33   ` Greg KH
2008-11-06  4:46     ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  3:01       ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  3:01       ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  3:18         ` Greg KH
2008-11-13  6:50           ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-13  6:50           ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-14  0:55             ` Greg KH
2008-11-17  8:09               ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-17  8:09               ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-18 15:05                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-18 15:05                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-18 16:49                 ` Kay Sievers
2008-11-18 16:49                 ` Kay Sievers
2008-11-07  3:18         ` Greg KH
2008-11-06  4:46     ` Greg KH
2008-10-22  8:45 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:45 ` [PATCH 16/16 v6] PCI: document the new PCI boot parameters Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:27   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 17:01     ` Randy Dunlap
2008-10-22 17:01     ` Randy Dunlap
2008-10-22 14:27   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-11-06  4:32   ` Greg KH
2008-11-06  4:32   ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  2:37     ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  2:50       ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  3:40         ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  3:40         ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  4:17           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-12-11  1:43             ` Yu Zhao
2008-12-11  4:33               ` Grant Grundler
2008-12-11 15:39                 ` H L
2008-12-11 15:39                 ` H L
2008-12-11  4:33               ` Grant Grundler
2008-12-11  1:43             ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07  4:17           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07  6:16           ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  6:16           ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  7:50             ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  8:02               ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  8:02               ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  8:17                 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  8:24                   ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  8:35                     ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 18:53                       ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 18:53                       ` Greg KH
2008-11-08  5:00                         ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-08  5:00                         ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-08  5:25                           ` Greg KH
2008-11-08  5:25                           ` Greg KH
2008-11-08  6:05                             ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-08  6:05                             ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-08  5:50                           ` freevanx
2008-11-08  5:54                             ` Greg KH
2008-11-08  5:54                             ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  8:35                     ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  8:24                   ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  8:17                 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  7:50             ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-09 14:19             ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-09 14:34               ` Alexander Graf
2008-11-09 14:34               ` Alexander Graf
2008-11-09 14:19             ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-07  2:50       ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  2:37     ` Zhao, Yu
2008-10-22  8:45 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-06  4:48 ` [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support Greg KH
2008-11-06 15:40   ` H L
2008-11-06 15:40   ` H L
2008-11-06 15:43     ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 15:43     ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 16:41       ` H L
2008-11-06 16:49         ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 16:49         ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 17:38           ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-06 18:03             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 20:04               ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-06 20:04               ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-09 12:44               ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 12:44               ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 19:25                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-09 19:37                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 19:37                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-11  6:08                     ` Greg KH
2008-11-11  6:08                     ` Greg KH
2008-11-11  9:00                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-11  9:00                         ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 19:25                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 18:03             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 18:36             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 22:38               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-06 22:58                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 22:58                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07  6:19                   ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  6:19                   ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 15:17                     ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07 18:48                       ` Greg KH
2008-11-08 11:09                         ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-08 11:09                           ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-08 15:37                           ` Leonid Grossman
2008-11-08 15:37                           ` Leonid Grossman
2008-11-08 11:09                         ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-13  7:49                         ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-13  7:49                           ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-13  7:49                         ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07 18:48                       ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 15:17                     ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-09 12:47                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 12:47                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-07  1:52                 ` Dong, Eddie
2008-11-07  1:52                 ` Dong, Eddie
2008-11-07  2:08                 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-11-07  2:08                 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-11-07 15:21                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-09 12:53                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 12:53                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-07 15:21                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-12 22:41                   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-12 22:41                   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-16 16:04                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-17  1:46                       ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-17  1:46                       ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-16 16:04                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-07 16:01                 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07 16:01                 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-06 22:38               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-06 18:36             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 17:38           ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-06 17:47           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 17:47           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 17:53             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 17:53             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 22:24               ` Simon Horman
2008-11-06 22:24               ` Simon Horman
2008-11-06 22:40               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-07  6:17                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  7:47                   ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  7:47                   ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-11  0:18                     ` Rusty Russell
2008-11-17 12:01                       ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-17 12:01                       ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-09 12:58                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 12:58                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-07  6:17                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-09  6:41                 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2008-11-09  6:41                 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2008-11-09 13:03                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 13:03                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-06 22:40               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-06 23:54               ` Chris Wright
2008-11-07  6:10                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  6:10                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  7:06                 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  7:29                   ` Leonid Grossman
2008-11-07  7:29                   ` Leonid Grossman
2008-11-07  7:06                 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-06 23:54               ` Chris Wright
2008-11-06 18:05           ` H L
2008-11-06 18:05           ` H L [this message]
2008-11-06 18:24             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 18:24             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 21:35               ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-07  6:18                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  6:03               ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  6:03               ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-06 16:41       ` H L
2008-11-06 16:51       ` git repository for SR-IOV development? H L
2008-11-06 16:51       ` H L
2008-11-06 16:51         ` H L
2008-11-06 16:59         ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 16:59         ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 19:58           ` H L
2008-11-06 22:56             ` Simon Horman
2008-11-06 22:56               ` Simon Horman
2008-11-06 22:56             ` Simon Horman
2008-11-07  1:58             ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 13:09               ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07 13:09               ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07  1:58             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 19:58           ` H L
2008-11-07  5:18   ` [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  6:07     ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  6:07     ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  5:18   ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-06  4:48 ` Greg KH
     [not found] <43F901BD926A4E43B106BF17856F07552F2E8F06@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
     [not found] ` <9832F13BD22FB94A829F798DA4A82805018C18EE41@pdsmsx503.ccr.corp.intel.com>
     [not found]   ` <43F901BD926A4E43B106BF17856F07552F2E8F20@orsmsx508.amr.corp.intel.com>
     [not found]     ` <491D2F23.1080005@intel.com>
2008-11-14 17:40       ` Greg KH
2008-11-14 17:48         ` Rose, Gregory V
2008-11-14 18:39           ` Greg KH
2008-11-14 18:49             ` Ronciak, John
2008-11-14 19:30               ` Greg KH
2008-11-14 18:53             ` Rose, Gregory V
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2008-10-22  8:38 Yu Zhao

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