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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: "randy.dunlap@oracle.com" <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
	"grundler@parisc-linux.org" <grundler@parisc-linux.org>,
	"Chiang, Alexander" <achiang@hp.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	"rdreier@cisco.com" <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org" <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org" 
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-pci@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mingo@elte.hu" <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:41:27 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <491B5B97.2000407@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d4h7pnnm.fsf__4937.77150190926$1226071173$gmane$org@basil.nowhere.org>

Andi Kleen wrote:
> Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws> writes:
>> What we would rather do in KVM, is have the VFs appear in the host as
>> standard network devices.  We would then like to back our existing PV
>> driver to this VF directly bypassing the host networking stack.  A key
>> feature here is being able to fill the VF's receive queue with guest
>> memory instead of host kernel memory so that you can get zero-copy
>> receive traffic.  This will perform just as well as doing passthrough
>> (at least) and avoid all that ugliness of dealing with SR-IOV in the
>> guest.
> 
> But you shift a lot of ugliness into the host network stack again.
> Not sure that is a good trade off.
> 
> Also it would always require context switches and I believe one
> of the reasons for the PV/VF model is very low latency IO and having
> heavyweight switches to the host and back would be against that.

I don't think it's established that PV/VF will have less latency than 
using virtio-net.  virtio-net requires a world switch to send a group of 
packets.  The cost of this (if it stays in kernel) is only a few 
thousand cycles on the most modern processors.

Using VT-d means that for every DMA fetch that misses in the IOTLB, you 
potentially have to do four memory fetches to main memory.  There will 
be additional packet latency using VT-d compared to native, it's just 
not known how much at this time.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori


> -Andi
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-12 22:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 244+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-22  8:38 [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:40 ` [PATCH 1/16 v6] PCI: remove unnecessary arg of pci_update_resource() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:40 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:40 ` [PATCH 2/16 v6] PCI: define PCI resource names in an 'enum' Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:24   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:44     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:44       ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:51       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:53         ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:53           ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:51       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:24   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-11-14  0:43   ` Simon Horman
2008-10-22  8:40 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:41 ` [PATCH 3/16 v6] PCI: export __pci_read_base Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:41 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:41 ` [PATCH 4/16 v6] PCI: make pci_alloc_child_bus() be able to handle NULL bridge Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:41 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:41 ` [PATCH 5/16 v6] PCI: add a wrapper for resource_alignment() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:41 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:42 ` [PATCH 6/16 v6] PCI: add a new function to map BAR offset Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:42 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:42 ` [PATCH 7/16 v6] PCI: cleanup pcibios_allocate_resources() Yu Zhao
2008-10-23  7:10   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-10-23  7:10   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-10-23  6:50     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-23  6:50     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:42 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:43 ` [PATCH 8/16 v6] PCI: add boot options to reassign resources Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:43 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:35   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:35   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:49     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:49     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:43 ` [PATCH 9/16 v6] PCI: add boot option to align MMIO resources Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:34   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:52     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:52     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:34   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22  8:43 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:43 ` [PATCH 10/16 v6] PCI: cleanup pci_bus_add_devices() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:43 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` [PATCH 11/16 v6] PCI: split a new function from pci_bus_add_devices() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` [PATCH 12/16 v6] PCI: support the SR-IOV capability Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` [PATCH 13/16 v6] PCI: reserve bus range for SR-IOV device Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:45 ` [PATCH 14/16 v6] PCI: document for SR-IOV user and developer Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:45 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:45 ` [PATCH 15/16 v6] PCI: document the SR-IOV sysfs entries Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:45 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-06  4:33   ` Greg KH
2008-11-06  4:46     ` Greg KH
2008-11-06  4:46     ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  3:01       ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  3:18         ` Greg KH
2008-11-13  6:50           ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-13  6:50           ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-14  0:55             ` Greg KH
2008-11-17  8:09               ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-18 15:05                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-18 15:05                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-18 16:49                 ` Kay Sievers
2008-11-18 16:49                 ` Kay Sievers
2008-11-17  8:09               ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07  3:18         ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  3:01       ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-06  4:33   ` Greg KH
2008-10-22  8:45 ` [PATCH 16/16 v6] PCI: document the new PCI boot parameters Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:45 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:27   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:27   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 17:01     ` Randy Dunlap
2008-10-22 17:01     ` Randy Dunlap
2008-11-06  4:32   ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  2:37     ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  2:37     ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  2:50       ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  2:50       ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  3:40         ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  3:40         ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  4:17           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07  4:17           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-12-11  1:43             ` Yu Zhao
2008-12-11  4:33               ` Grant Grundler
2008-12-11 15:39                 ` H L
2008-12-11 15:39                 ` H L
2008-12-11  4:33               ` Grant Grundler
2008-12-11  1:43             ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07  6:16           ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  7:50             ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  8:02               ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  8:02               ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  8:17                 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  8:24                   ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  8:35                     ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  8:35                     ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 18:53                       ` Greg KH
2008-11-08  5:00                         ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-08  5:00                         ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-08  5:25                           ` Greg KH
2008-11-08  6:05                             ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-08  6:05                             ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-08  5:25                           ` Greg KH
2008-11-08  5:50                           ` freevanx
2008-11-08  5:54                             ` Greg KH
2008-11-08  5:54                             ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 18:53                       ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  8:24                   ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  8:17                 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  7:50             ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-09 14:19             ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-09 14:19             ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-09 14:34               ` Alexander Graf
2008-11-09 14:34               ` Alexander Graf
2008-11-07  6:16           ` Greg KH
2008-11-06  4:32   ` Greg KH
2008-11-06  4:48 ` [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support Greg KH
2008-11-06 15:40   ` H L
2008-11-06 15:40   ` H L
2008-11-06 15:43     ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 15:43     ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 16:41       ` H L
2008-11-06 16:41       ` H L
2008-11-06 16:49         ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 17:38           ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-06 18:03             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 20:04               ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-06 20:04               ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-09 12:44               ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 12:44               ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 19:25                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-09 19:25                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-09 19:37                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 19:37                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-11  6:08                     ` Greg KH
2008-11-11  6:08                     ` Greg KH
2008-11-11  9:00                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-11  9:00                         ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-06 18:03             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 18:36             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 18:36             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 22:38               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-06 22:38               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-06 22:58                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07  6:19                   ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 15:17                     ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07 18:48                       ` Greg KH
2008-11-08 11:09                         ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-08 11:09                         ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-08 11:09                           ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-08 15:37                           ` Leonid Grossman
2008-11-08 15:37                           ` Leonid Grossman
2008-11-13  7:49                         ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-13  7:49                         ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-13  7:49                           ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07 18:48                       ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 15:17                     ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07  6:19                   ` Greg KH
2008-11-09 12:47                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 12:47                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-06 22:58                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07  1:52                 ` Dong, Eddie
2008-11-07  1:52                 ` Dong, Eddie
2008-11-07  2:08                 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-11-07  2:08                 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-11-07 15:21                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-12 22:41                   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-12 22:41                   ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2008-11-16 16:04                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-17  1:46                       ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-17  1:46                       ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-16 16:04                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-07 15:21                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-09 12:53                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 12:53                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-07 16:01                 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07 16:01                 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-06 17:38           ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-06 17:47           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 17:53             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 17:53             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 22:24               ` Simon Horman
2008-11-06 22:24               ` Simon Horman
2008-11-06 22:40               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-07  6:17                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  7:47                   ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  7:47                   ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-11  0:18                     ` Rusty Russell
2008-11-17 12:01                       ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-17 12:01                       ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-09 12:58                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 12:58                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-07  6:17                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-09  6:41                 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2008-11-09  6:41                 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2008-11-09 13:03                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 13:03                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-06 22:40               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-06 23:54               ` Chris Wright
2008-11-07  6:10                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  6:10                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  7:06                 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  7:06                 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  7:29                   ` Leonid Grossman
2008-11-07  7:29                   ` Leonid Grossman
2008-11-06 23:54               ` Chris Wright
2008-11-06 17:47           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 18:05           ` H L
2008-11-06 18:05           ` H L
2008-11-06 18:24             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 21:35               ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-07  6:18                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  6:03               ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  6:03               ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-06 18:24             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 16:49         ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 16:51       ` git repository for SR-IOV development? H L
2008-11-06 16:51         ` H L
2008-11-06 16:59         ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 16:59         ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 19:58           ` H L
2008-11-06 19:58           ` H L
2008-11-06 22:56             ` Simon Horman
2008-11-06 22:56               ` Simon Horman
2008-11-06 22:56             ` Simon Horman
2008-11-07  1:58             ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  1:58             ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 13:09               ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07 13:09               ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-06 16:51       ` H L
2008-11-07  5:18   ` [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  6:07     ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  6:07     ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  5:18   ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-06  4:48 ` Greg KH
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2008-11-14 17:40       ` Greg KH
2008-11-14 17:48         ` Rose, Gregory V
2008-11-14 18:39           ` Greg KH
2008-11-14 18:49             ` Ronciak, John
2008-11-14 19:30               ` Greg KH
2008-11-14 18:53             ` Rose, Gregory V
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2008-10-22  8:38 Yu Zhao

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