All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Dieter Stueken <stueken@conterra.de>
To: linux-lvm@sistina.com
Subject: Re: [linux-lvm] Backup costs (was: LVM reimplementationre)
Date: Thu Feb  7 03:55:02 2002	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C624EF1.41007537@conterra.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3YZU4ZCA1Z2YG72C3276A7F0MLTRF0.3c619374@kadzuki

Anders Widman wrote:
> 
> Well, have you ever heard of diskcabbinettes? I use them alot wich means I don't have to have 10 disks in the same coputer at the same time. Then what, hot swap? Well this is very much possible, and secure
> (look at Promise.com).
> 
> IDE disk drives are very cheap and fast enough (Maxtor 160GB has a write performance of about 35MB/s in average) for most purposes and does not require special hardware or software.

I also developed a backup strategy based on a LVM Disk Array and it
works great.
I currently have to backup about 100GB of data. I build a mirroring
system copying
all data each night. Our traditional incremental backup showed, that
about 2Gb are
changed each day. So, for the next day, a new directory is created and
all backuped
data from yesterday are hard linked (cp -al) to the new destination.
Second, a cp -u
updates all files which have been changed. With 140Gb available I can
hold about 2 weeks
on disk. After that only one snapshot per week, later on one per month
is kept. I have
to see, how far I can go. In addition i make full backups from these
snapshots as an
disaster backup.

This procedure has a lot of advantages. Recent backups of single files
can be done
instantaneous. This took me hours of spooling DDS tapes back an forth
before. The backup
system can even be accessed by the users themselves. The backup mirror
is located on
an other building, an both systems see each other read only.

I think about saving the incremental data on tape too, to have a 3rd
stage, if the
backup disk fails. Any tape backup can now be done off-line from the
mirror. I don't
have to spend my weekends changing tapes to realize a fill backup from
the hot system.
I also may continue to use my old DDS4 backup drive, because it does not
really matter
if the tape backup is slow.

Recovering all data from DDS4 tape may take longer than using some fancy
LTO, this will
be necessary only if both buildings burned down, and I thing we have a
bigger problem then...

Dieter.
-- 
Dieter St�ken, con terra GmbH, M�nster
    stueken@conterra.de         stueken@qgp.uni-muenster.de
    http://www.conterra.de/     http://qgp.uni-muenster.de/~stueken
    (0)251-980-2027             (0)251-83-334974

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-02-07  3:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-31 13:54 [linux-lvm] Re: [lvm-devel] [ANNOUNCE] LVM reimplementation ready for beta testing Steve Pratt
2002-01-31 19:52 ` Steve Pratt
2002-01-31 12:52 ` Joe Thornber
2002-02-01  3:47   ` Joe Thornber
2002-02-01  3:55   ` [Evms-devel] " Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-01  9:55     ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-01-31 13:09     ` Joe Thornber
2002-02-01  4:04       ` Joe Thornber
2002-02-01  4:13       ` [linux-lvm] " Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-01 10:12         ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-01-31 13:35         ` Joe Thornber
2002-02-01  4:31           ` [linux-lvm] " Joe Thornber
2002-02-01  5:06         ` [linux-lvm] Re: [Evms-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-02-01 11:05           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-02-01  8:32         ` [linux-lvm] " Alan Cox
2002-02-01 14:44           ` Alan Cox
2002-02-01  8:59           ` [linux-lvm] Re: [Evms-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-02-01 14:58             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-02-01 16:01   ` [evms-devel] [linux-lvm] " Kevin Corry
2002-02-01 21:59     ` Kevin Corry
2002-01-31 21:51     ` Joe Thornber
2002-02-03  6:22       ` Joe Thornber
2002-02-01 17:17     ` Alan Cox
2002-02-01 23:30       ` Alan Cox
2002-02-02  7:40     ` Andrew Clausen
2002-02-02 13:39       ` Andrew Clausen
2002-02-02 13:30       ` Alan Cox
2002-02-02 19:42         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 14:05 ` [linux-lvm] Re: [lvm-devel] [ANNOUNCE] LVM reimplementationre ady " Jeff Layton
2002-02-01  3:29   ` Heinz J . Mauelshagen
2002-02-01  9:43     ` Jeff Layton
2002-02-05  8:04     ` James Hawtin
2002-02-05  8:09       ` Patrick Caulfield
2002-02-05 11:13       ` Jesus Manuel NAVARRO LOPEZ
2002-02-05 12:28         ` [linux-lvm] (OT) Backups (was Re: LVM reimplementationre ady for beta testing...) Chad C. Walstrom
2002-02-06 13:13       ` [linux-lvm] Backup costs (was: LVM reimplementationre) Benjamin Scott
2002-02-06 13:39         ` Daniel Whicker
2002-02-06 13:46           ` James Mello
2002-02-06 14:35             ` Anders Widman
2002-02-07  3:01               ` Jesus Manuel NAVARRO LOPEZ
2002-02-07  3:17                 ` Petro
2002-02-07  4:34                   ` Jesus Manuel NAVARRO LOPEZ
2002-02-07  7:19                     ` Petro
2002-02-07  7:54                       ` Jesus Manuel NAVARRO LOPEZ
2002-02-07  3:55               ` Dieter Stueken [this message]
2002-02-06 13:46         ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-06 13:48         ` Theo Van Dinter
2002-02-06 15:45           ` Austin Gonyou
2002-02-06 13:51         ` Petro
2002-02-06 13:52         ` Kirby C. Bohling
2002-02-06 13:55         ` Jeff Layton
2002-02-06 14:03           ` James Mello
2002-02-06 20:03             ` Jeff Layton
2002-02-06 20:08               ` James Mello
2002-02-06 20:11                 ` Jeff Layton
2002-02-07  3:10                   ` Jesus Manuel NAVARRO LOPEZ
2002-02-07  4:53                     ` Jeff Layton
2002-02-07  5:31                       ` James Hawtin
2002-02-07 17:05                         ` Wolfgang Weisselberg
2002-02-08 20:04                           ` James Hawtin
2002-02-07  3:03           ` Jesus Manuel NAVARRO LOPEZ
2002-02-07  3:17             ` Petro
2002-02-07  4:15               ` Jesus Manuel NAVARRO LOPEZ
2002-02-12  1:00             ` Marc MERLIN
2002-01-31 15:19 ` [Evms-devel] Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [lvm-devel] [ANNOUNCE] LVM reimplementation ready for beta testing Andrew Clausen
2002-01-31 21:18   ` Andrew Clausen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-02-06 21:10 [linux-lvm] Backup costs (was: LVM reimplementationre) Richard Barbara
2002-02-07 10:24 ` Scott Laird

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=3C624EF1.41007537@conterra.de \
    --to=stueken@conterra.de \
    --cc=linux-lvm@sistina.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.