* new alsa docs.
@ 2002-08-05 15:51 Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-05 20:01 ` Dan Hollis
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From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-05 15:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: alsa-devel
I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs setup.
Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for prime time.
You can see it here:
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
I appreciate other people going through it but I will make some links to
it from the main page tonight.
Thx.
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-05 15:51 new alsa docs Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-05 20:01 ` Dan Hollis
2002-08-06 9:13 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-06 3:25 ` Andy Wingo
2002-08-07 17:11 ` Niklas Werner
2 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Dan Hollis @ 2002-08-05 20:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Patrick Shirkey; +Cc: alsa-devel
On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs setup.
> Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for prime time.
> You can see it here:
> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
> I appreciate other people going through it but I will make some links to
> it from the main page tonight.
echo corporation is green now...
-Dan
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-05 15:51 new alsa docs Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-05 20:01 ` Dan Hollis
@ 2002-08-06 3:25 ` Andy Wingo
2002-08-06 9:25 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-07 17:11 ` Niklas Werner
2 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Andy Wingo @ 2002-08-06 3:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: alsa-devel
On Tue, 06 Aug 2002, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs setup.
> Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for prime time.
>
> You can see it here:
>
> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
Rad!
I hadn't been keeping up with the status of your work, Patrick, but it
looks great. Nice job.
A few suggestions, quibbles, etc, meant to be constructive feedback:
* It wasn't obvious to me that the "plus" down at the bottom is a link
to add information. Perhaps if it were a link or a button that said
something like "Add comment to this card's page..." or something it
would be more clear.
* I know you've got it templated, but I suppose that all of the common
stuff on the card pages could maybe go on one separate page.
* Are there any programs that don't work with ~/.asoundrc files? I don't
have one, personally. I just use the "default" device, as it suits my
needs fine. I think that templated asoundrc isn't all that useful, but
maybe that's just me.
* It would be nice if the link to the driver docs were a link instead of
a button. A table full of buttons is rather imposing, at least to me. I
think it takes longer to render, too.
Anyway, what you have looks good, keep up the good work. These are just
suggestions, take them or leave them as you will.
regards,
wingo.
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-05 20:01 ` Dan Hollis
@ 2002-08-06 9:13 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-06 12:48 ` Joerg Mayer
0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-06 9:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dan Hollis; +Cc: alsa-devel
Dan Hollis wrote:
>
>echo corporation is green now...
>
Applied.
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-06 3:25 ` Andy Wingo
@ 2002-08-06 9:25 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-06 9:47 ` James Tappin
0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-06 9:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andy Wingo; +Cc: alsa-devel
Andy Wingo wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Aug 2002, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
>
>>I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs setup.
>>Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for prime time.
>>
>>You can see it here:
>>
>>http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
>
>
> Rad!
>
> I hadn't been keeping up with the status of your work, Patrick, but it
> looks great. Nice job.
>
Thanks.
> A few suggestions, quibbles, etc, meant to be constructive feedback:
>
> * It wasn't obvious to me that the "plus" down at the bottom is a link
> to add information. Perhaps if it were a link or a button that said
> something like "Add comment to this card's page..." or something it
> would be more clear.
>
Ok. I stole it from the php site. I am trying to think of a new design
that is funky. Probably a spin on the ALSA logo with ADD instead of ALSA.
> * I know you've got it templated, but I suppose that all of the common
> stuff on the card pages could maybe go on one separate page.
>
We discussed this a while ago and the general consensus was that we
wanted the page to be complete. I have tried to make a compromise
between having the high level stuff easily accesible and not making it
too scary for new users. The aim of the new setup is to provide a style
of documentation which is similar to the way M$ does it. The sad truth
is that is what the majority are used to so we want to make the
transition easier for them.
I am open to other ways of presenting the material on the page.
> * Are there any programs that don't work with ~/.asoundrc files? I don't
> have one, personally. I just use the "default" device, as it suits my
> needs fine. I think that templated asoundrc isn't all that useful, but
> maybe that's just me.
>
The .asoundrc is very simple for the main reason that we don't have
working user docs for the .asoundrc file yet. I am working on it as are
others. Watch this space. However the one in the template does work with
f.i ardour so that is useful for a lot of people.
> * It would be nice if the link to the driver docs were a link instead of
> a button. A table full of buttons is rather imposing, at least to me. I
> think it takes longer to render, too.
>
I know but I haven't yet figured out how to make use a link as a submit
button for a form which is the basis of the current design. Everything
is posted around. I know there are better ways to do this but I don't
know how to do them. So it will be form based until I or someone else
can write a better version. Emphasis on write :)
> Anyway, what you have looks good, keep up the good work. These are just
> suggestions, take them or leave them as you will.
>
I appreciate your feedback because it shows me which parts I need to
work on.
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-06 9:25 ` Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-06 9:47 ` James Tappin
2002-08-06 11:12 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-06 16:24 ` Andy Wingo
0 siblings, 2 replies; 32+ messages in thread
From: James Tappin @ 2002-08-06 9:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Patrick Shirkey; +Cc: ALSA Development
On Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:25:22 +0900
PS> > On Tue, 06 Aug 2002, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
PS> >
PS> >
PS> >>I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs
PS> >setup. >Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for
PS> >prime time.>
PS> >>You can see it here:
PS> >>
PS> >>http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
Just a couple of minor queries.
1) In the "Setting up modprobe and kmod support" you do not include the
line:
alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
(at least for the two cards relevant to me [trident and ice1712] but you
do
include it in the explanation. Which is recommended?
2) For debian it is possible to add a new file "alsasound" (say) to
/etc/modutils/ and update-modules will find it (I'm not sure if this is
recommended practice or not, I'm still very much a beginner with
debian).
Overall though, a nice piece of work, that should be very useful in
making ALSA more accessible to new users.
James
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-06 9:47 ` James Tappin
@ 2002-08-06 11:12 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-07 12:32 ` Takashi Iwai
2002-08-09 19:50 ` Karsten Wiese
2002-08-06 16:24 ` Andy Wingo
1 sibling, 2 replies; 32+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-06 11:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: James Tappin; +Cc: ALSA Development
James Tappin wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:25:22 +0900
> PS> > On Tue, 06 Aug 2002, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> PS> >
> PS> >
> PS> >>I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs
> PS> >setup. >Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for
> PS> >prime time.>
> PS> >>You can see it here:
> PS> >>
> PS> >>http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
>
> Just a couple of minor queries.
> 1) In the "Setting up modprobe and kmod support" you do not include the
> line:
> alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
> (at least for the two cards relevant to me [trident and ice1712] but you
> do
> include it in the explanation. Which is recommended?
>
Hmmm, good question. I have added it for now as they are different minor
numbers.
> 2) For debian it is possible to add a new file "alsasound" (say) to
> /etc/modutils/ and update-modules will find it (I'm not sure if this is
> recommended practice or not, I'm still very much a beginner with
> debian).
>
Ahh. So all files that configure modules in some way eg startup or
modules.conf are dealt with by modutils? I'll read up and see if I can
make the tip more precise.
> Overall though, a nice piece of work, that should be very useful in
> making ALSA more accessible to new users.
>
Thanks.
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-06 9:13 ` Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-06 12:48 ` Joerg Mayer
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From: Joerg Mayer @ 2002-08-06 12:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Patrick Shirkey; +Cc: alsa-devel
Nice work Patrick! I've found a few things that can be improved (although
I consider only the first point somewhat important)
1) for emu10k cards: add a section how to download the samples into
the card
2) The buttons inside the table in the cards page look ugly (konqueror kde3)
3) Add missing ALT tags (and height and width, while you are at it, the
latter can be done with imagesize from cpan).
4) Look at the pages with a text browser like links or w3m: the color for
the soundcards is missing.
Ciao
Jörg
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-06 9:47 ` James Tappin
2002-08-06 11:12 ` Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-06 16:24 ` Andy Wingo
2002-08-07 12:27 ` Takashi Iwai
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From: Andy Wingo @ 2002-08-06 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ALSA Development
On Tue, 06 Aug 2002, James Tappin wrote:
> 2) For debian it is possible to add a new file "alsasound" (say) to
> /etc/modutils/ and update-modules will find it (I'm not sure if this is
> recommended practice or not, I'm still very much a beginner with
> debian).
For debian, you're best off installing the alsa libs, etc from packages,
and building the modules from source. The alsa-base package provides
modutils and sysvinit integration. See /etc/alsa/modutils/0.9 [*] for
the modutils stuff.
[*] It might be 1.0 now. I have both files and they look the same. Hey
Jaroslav, let's get a 1.0 ;-)
regards,
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-06 16:24 ` Andy Wingo
@ 2002-08-07 12:27 ` Takashi Iwai
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From: Takashi Iwai @ 2002-08-07 12:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andy Wingo; +Cc: ALSA Development
At Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:24:47 -0400,
Andy Wingo wrote:
>
> On Tue, 06 Aug 2002, James Tappin wrote:
>
> > 2) For debian it is possible to add a new file "alsasound" (say) to
> > /etc/modutils/ and update-modules will find it (I'm not sure if this is
> > recommended practice or not, I'm still very much a beginner with
> > debian).
>
> For debian, you're best off installing the alsa libs, etc from packages,
> and building the modules from source. The alsa-base package provides
> modutils and sysvinit integration. See /etc/alsa/modutils/0.9 [*] for
> the modutils stuff.
>
> [*] It might be 1.0 now. I have both files and they look the same. Hey
> Jaroslav, let's get a 1.0 ;-)
at first we need a 0.9 without rc :)
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-06 11:12 ` Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-07 12:32 ` Takashi Iwai
2002-08-09 19:50 ` Karsten Wiese
1 sibling, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread
From: Takashi Iwai @ 2002-08-07 12:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Patrick Shirkey; +Cc: James Tappin, ALSA Development
At Tue, 06 Aug 2002 20:12:02 +0900,
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
> > Just a couple of minor queries.
> > 1) In the "Setting up modprobe and kmod support" you do not include the
> > line:
> > alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
> > (at least for the two cards relevant to me [trident and ice1712] but you
> > do
> > include it in the explanation. Which is recommended?
> >
>
> Hmmm, good question. I have added it for now as they are different minor
> numbers.
another minor correction:
in the section 'A short explanation of what happens in the
/etc/modules.conf file', there are two bogus configurations for the
second card:
alias sound-service-1-1 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-1-8 snd-seq-oss
they are not necessary, because there is only one /dev/sequencer,
regardless how many cards you have.
ciao,
Takashi
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-05 15:51 new alsa docs Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-05 20:01 ` Dan Hollis
2002-08-06 3:25 ` Andy Wingo
@ 2002-08-07 17:11 ` Niklas Werner
2002-08-08 23:49 ` Scott MacKenzie
2 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Niklas Werner @ 2002-08-07 17:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: alsa-devel
Am Montag, 5. August 2002 17:51 wurde geschrieben:
> I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs setup.
> Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for prime time.
>
> You can see it here:
>
> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
>
> I appreciate other people going through it but I will make some links
> to it from the main page tonight.
You might want to add Emagic's "EMI 2|6" to the matrix at least in green,
though it works fully for me with the following:
-> using tapio laxströms firmware loader (yes, he signed a NDA...) from
http://www.vtoy.fi/~tapio/emi26.html to load the firmware
-> Then using the usb-audio-driver
-> .asoundrc:
==================
pcm.emi {
type hw;
card 0;
}
ctl.emi {
type hw;
card 0;
}
==================
-> modules.conf:
==================
alias char-major-116 snd
alias char-major-14 soundcore
# EMI 2|6
alias snd-card-0 snd-usb-audio
alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss
options snd-usb-audio snd_id="emi"
==================
Unfortunately there are a few system-hangups I experienced on my
intel-box, but I suspect my setup isn't very clean any more...
On my ppc it runs just fine ;-)
Have fun*
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* Re: new alsa docs.
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@ 2002-08-08 15:56 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-09 6:25 ` Antti Boman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-08 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ALSA Development
Does anybody know how to get all the text from a text area to post when
it includes " and ' marks?
I am using stripslashes($var) to pass the variable between pages with
success but when I do the final post if I use "" around the VALUE in the
input line the text gets cut off at the first " or if I use '' the text
gets cut off at the first '.
eg.
<INPUT NAME='note' TYPE='hidden' VALUE="<?echo
stripslashes($note); ?>">
or
<INPUT NAME='note' TYPE='hidden' VALUE='<?echo
stripslashes($note); ?>'>
This is the script I am using to mail the form. I suspect that the mail
command at the very bottom is fscking it but I'm not sure how I can fix it.
----
<?
if ($extradoc) {
$notename = $extradoc;
} else {
$notename = $module;
}
$MailToAddress = "pshirkey@boosthardware.com";
$MailSubject = "ALSA: doc notes additions";
if (!$YourAddress) {
$YourAddress = "Null";
}
$Header = "The following has been submitted as a note for the
documentation of $notename. Save this as
/alsa-doc/additions/$notename.php3. If there is not a file already you
may need to use the template. Don't forget to add any new pages to
cvs.\n cvs add www/alsa-doc/additions/$notename.php3";
$Footer = "";
$Name = (stripslashes($Name));
$YourAddress = (stripslashes($YourAddress));
$time = (stripslashes($time));
$note = (stripslashes($note));
$Message .= " <table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"4\" cellspacing=\"0\"
width=\"620\">\n";
$Message .= " <tr valign=\"top\">\n";
$Message .= " <td bgcolor=\"#bed1be\" colspan=\"2\">\n";
$Message .= " <table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"2\"
cellspacing=\"0\" width=\"620\">\n";
$Message .= " <tr valign=\"top\"><td>\n";
$Message .= " $Name     <a href=\"mailto:
$YourAddress\">$YourAddress</a><br>\n";
$Message .= " $time</td>\n";
$Message .= " <td align=\"right\">\n";
$Message .= " <br></td>\n";
$Message .= " </tr>\n";
$Message .= " <tr bgcolor=\"#f0f0f0\"><td colspan=\"2\">\n";
$Message .= " <pre>\n";
$Message .= $note;
$Message .= "\n </pre>\n";
$Message .= " </td></tr>\n";
$Message .= " </table>\n";
$Message .= " </td>\n";
$Message .= " </tr>\n";
$Message .= " </table>\n";
if ($Header) {
$Message = $Header."\n\n".$Message;
}
if ($Footer) {
$Message .= "\n\n".$Footer;
}
mail("$MailToAddress", "$MailSubject", "$Message", "From:
$YourAddress");
?>
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-07 17:11 ` Niklas Werner
@ 2002-08-08 23:49 ` Scott MacKenzie
2002-08-09 7:19 ` Patrick Shirkey
0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Scott MacKenzie @ 2002-08-08 23:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: alsa-devel
Hi,
Can I just take the opportunity to ask why, in the sound-card matrix,
the Hoontech ST Audio DSP24 is in green as a 'possible' still, when the
entry below it, the IC Ensemble Envy24 (the former being based on the
latter) is supported with the ice1712 driver? Are there outstanding
issues with regard to Hoontech-specific functions? I've just started
playing with the former card (a Mk I version), and in fact am yet to
obtain an external rack for it.
Regards,
Scott.
On 2002.08.08 03:11 Niklas Werner wrote:
>
> You might want to add Emagic's "EMI 2|6" to the matrix at least in
> green,
> though it works fully for me with the following:
>
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-08 15:56 ` new alsa docs Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-09 6:25 ` Antti Boman
2002-08-09 6:52 ` Patrick Shirkey
0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Antti Boman @ 2002-08-09 6:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Patrick Shirkey; +Cc: ALSA Development
Sorry if I didn't understand your problem, but here goes.
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> Does anybody know how to get all the text from a text area to post when
> it includes " and ' marks?
>
> I am using stripslashes($var) to pass the variable between pages with
> success but when I do the final post if I use "" around the VALUE in the
> input line the text gets cut off at the first " or if I use '' the text
> gets cut off at the first '.
>
> eg.
>
> <INPUT NAME='note' TYPE='hidden' VALUE="<?echo
> stripslashes($note); ?>">
>
> or
>
> <INPUT NAME='note' TYPE='hidden' VALUE='<?echo
> stripslashes($note); ?>'>
Those look the same to me, so I assume you meant the other one with
citation marks.
Anyway, you should use htmlspecialchars() to turn the special characters
interfering html markup (' # & < >) to html entities. So:
<INPUT NAME="note" TYPE="hidden" VALUE="<?echo
htmlspecialchars(stripslashes($note)); ?>">
> $MailToAddress = "pshirkey@boosthardware.com";
> $MailSubject = "ALSA: doc notes additions";
> if (!$YourAddress) {
> $YourAddress = "Null";
> }
Hmmm... you're testing $Youraddress for integer, was that the intention?
If $Youraddress doesn't contain a number in the beginning of the string,
it fails and $Youradddress turns to "Null".
I also assumed you're using PHP.
Tell me more if I got it completely wrong ;)
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-09 6:25 ` Antti Boman
@ 2002-08-09 6:52 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-09 7:31 ` Patrick Shirkey
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 32+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-09 6:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Antti Boman; +Cc: ALSA Development
Antti Boman wrote:
> Sorry if I didn't understand your problem, but here goes.
You are right on the money. Now people can send full code examples
without it getting chopped.
Thanks.
> <INPUT NAME="note" TYPE="hidden" VALUE="<?echo
> htmlspecialchars(stripslashes($note)); ?>">
>
>> $MailToAddress = "pshirkey@boosthardware.com";
>> $MailSubject = "ALSA: doc notes additions";
>> if (!$YourAddress) {
>> $YourAddress = "Null";
>> }
>
>
> Hmmm... you're testing $Youraddress for integer, was that the intention?
> If $Youraddress doesn't contain a number in the beginning of the string,
> it fails and $Youradddress turns to "Null".
>
oops. I haven't had any problems with it yet. It just adds NULL to the
address of the sender which is the alsa server. It's no big deal.
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-08 23:49 ` Scott MacKenzie
@ 2002-08-09 7:19 ` Patrick Shirkey
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From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-09 7:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Scott MacKenzie; +Cc: alsa-devel
Scott MacKenzie wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Can I just take the opportunity to ask why, in the sound-card matrix,
> the Hoontech ST Audio DSP24 is in green as a 'possible' still, when the
> entry below it, the IC Ensemble Envy24 (the former being based on the
> latter) is supported with the ice1712 driver? Are there outstanding
> issues with regard to Hoontech-specific functions? I've just started
> playing with the former card (a Mk I version), and in fact am yet to
> obtain an external rack for it.
>
Let us know how you get on and we will change the matrix accordingly.
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-09 6:52 ` Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-09 7:31 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-10 18:51 ` Frans Ketelaars
2002-08-09 15:27 ` Patrick Shirkey
[not found] ` <3D536705.9040705@mindcom.fi>
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From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-09 7:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ALSA Development
To make the module options complete I need someone to send me the output of
modinfo $(modprobe -l snd-*) | cat > modules
when run on PPC and an ARM and a computer with old PnP cards/slots.
Run it as root user. It will write a file called modules to the
directory you run it from.
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-09 6:52 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-09 7:31 ` Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-09 15:27 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-13 14:40 ` Clemens Ladisch
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From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-09 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ALSA Development
For those who are interested. Thanks to a tip from Eric Inge Bolso we
now have links instead of buttons in the matrix.
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* RE: new alsa docs.
2002-08-06 11:12 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-07 12:32 ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2002-08-09 19:50 ` Karsten Wiese
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From: Karsten Wiese @ 2002-08-09 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Patrick Shirkey; +Cc: ALSA Development
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[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii", Size: 463 bytes --]
hallo,
please add the turtle beach cards fiji & pinnacle as (supported as module,
cvs) to the sound card matrix.
danke,
karsten
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-09 7:31 ` Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-10 18:51 ` Frans Ketelaars
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From: Frans Ketelaars @ 2002-08-10 18:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: alsa-devel
On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:31:30 +0900
Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey@boosthardware.com> wrote:
> To make the module options complete I need someone to send me the output of
>
> modinfo $(modprobe -l snd-*) | cat > modules
>
> when run on PPC and an ARM and a computer with old PnP cards/slots.
>
> Run it as root user. It will write a file called modules to the
> directory you run it from.
>
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This is with rc2 on ia32 with all (ISA card) modules. The 64K file is only
attached to the message sent to Patrick. HTH,
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-09 15:27 ` Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-13 14:40 ` Clemens Ladisch
2002-08-13 15:01 ` Patrick Shirkey
0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Clemens Ladisch @ 2002-08-13 14:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Patrick Shirkey; +Cc: alsa-devel
I didn't bother to report USB MIDI devices - until now:
Evolution http://www.evolution.co.uk/
MK-225C http://www.evolution.co.uk/products/
MK-249 http://www.evolution.co.uk/products/
MK-249C http://www.evolution.co.uk/products/
MK-361 http://www.evolution.co.uk/products/
MK-361C http://www.evolution.co.uk/products/
UC-16 http://www.evolution.co.uk/products/
Roland/Edirol http://www.edirol.com/
PC-300 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/pc300.html
SC-8820 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/archive/sc8820.html
SC-8850 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/archive/sc8850.html
SC-D70 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/archive/scd70.html
SD-90 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/sd90.html
SK-500 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/archive/sk500.html
U-8 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/archive/u8.html
UA-100 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/archive/ua100.html
UA-100G http://www.edirol.com/products/info/archive/ua100g.html
UM-1 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/um1.html
UM-1S http://www.edirol.com/products/info/um1s.html
UM-2(E) http://www.edirol.com/products/info/um2.html
UM-4/SuperMPU64 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/archive/um4.html
UM-550 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/um550.html
UM-880 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/um880.html
XV-5050 http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?prodid=XV%2D5050
Steinberg http://www.steinberg.net/
USB-2-MIDI http://www.steinberg.net/products/ae/hardware/usb2midi/
Yamaha http://www.yamaha.com/
MU1000 http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/syndtm/p/dtm/mu20mu10/index.html
UX256 http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/ux256/index.html
... and another USB Audio device:
Roland/Edirol http://www.edirol.com/
UA-1A http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ua1a.html
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-13 14:40 ` Clemens Ladisch
@ 2002-08-13 15:01 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-14 16:01 ` Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
2002-08-14 16:40 ` Clemens Ladisch
0 siblings, 2 replies; 32+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-13 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Clemens Ladisch; +Cc: alsa-devel
Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> I didn't bother to report USB MIDI devices - until now:
>
Thanks. I'm collecting them for now until I or Dan get the energy to add
them to the matrix.
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-13 15:01 ` Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-14 16:01 ` Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
2002-08-15 8:56 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-15 10:19 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-14 16:40 ` Clemens Ladisch
1 sibling, 2 replies; 32+ messages in thread
From: Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas @ 2002-08-14 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Patrick Shirkey, Clemens Ladisch; +Cc: alsa-devel
El Mar 13 Ago 2002 17:01, Patrick Shirkey escribió:
> Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> > I didn't bother to report USB MIDI devices - until now:
>
> Thanks. I'm collecting them for now until I or Dan get the energy to add
> them to the matrix.
The "usb generic" instructions for USB-MIDI devices is a copy of the Midiman
MidisportNxN page. This is very inaccurate and confusing, as many devices
(e.g. the Roland/Edirol ones) aren't EZ-USB devices and don't need/accept the
ezusbmidi firmware at all. Please, remove the ezusbmidi references from the
generic usb-midi page.
On the other hand, this device is reported by Clemens:
Steinberg http://www.steinberg.net/
USB-2-MIDI http://www.steinberg.net/products/ae/hardware/usb2midi/
It is another EZ-USB based device, and needs the ezusbmidi firmware to work.
You can safely copy the Midisport page for it.
I would like to insist again about including "EZ-USB" in the chipset column
for these devices:
Midiman Midisport NxN
Midiman USB Keystations:
http://www.midiman.net/products/midiman/keystations.php
Steinberg USB-MIDI-2 adaptor:
http://www.steinberg.net/products/ae/hardware/usb2midi/
For the "chipset" column you can put here EZ-USB (or "Cypress AN2131XX")
http://www.cypress.com/products/datasheet.cfm?partnum=AN2131SC
This chipset is widely used in USB peripherals, not only MIDI ones, and it is
related to Intel 8051 chip. The firmware loader (fxload) for this chipset is
included in linux-hotplug: http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/
And SDCC (Small Device C Compiler) is a GPL tool that can be used to build
firmware drivers: http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/
Regards,
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-13 15:01 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-14 16:01 ` Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
@ 2002-08-14 16:40 ` Clemens Ladisch
2002-08-15 9:03 ` Patrick Shirkey
1 sibling, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Clemens Ladisch @ 2002-08-14 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Patrick Shirkey; +Cc: alsa-devel
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> Thanks. I'm collecting them for now until I or Dan get the energy to add
> them to the matrix.
Wouldn't it be helpful to make the matrix Open Source(TM) in order to
be able to submit a patch/SQL script/whatever?
And while we're at it, some more USB MIDI devices for the collection:
Roland/Edirol http://www.edirol.com/
SD-20 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/sd20.html
SD-80 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/sd80.html
UA-700 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ua700.html
The following USB MIDI devices are green:
Yamaha http://www.yamaha.com/
CLP-150 http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/cl/clp/clp-150.html
CLP-170 http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/cl/clp/clp-170.html
MOTIF6 http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/motif/index.html
MOTIF7 http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/motif/index.html
MOTIF8 http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/motif/index.html
MU500 http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/syndtm/p/dtm/mu500/
MU2000 http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/syndtm/p/dtm/mu20mu10/index.html
S08 http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/s08/index.html
UW500 http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/uw500/index.html
UX16 http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gEKS00001UX16
UX96 http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gEKS00001UX96
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-14 16:01 ` Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
@ 2002-08-15 8:56 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-15 14:22 ` Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
2002-08-15 10:19 ` Patrick Shirkey
1 sibling, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-15 8:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas; +Cc: Clemens Ladisch, alsa-devel
Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
> El Mar 13 Ago 2002 17:01, Patrick Shirkey escribió:
>
>>Clemens Ladisch wrote:
>>
>>>I didn't bother to report USB MIDI devices - until now:
>>
>>Thanks. I'm collecting them for now until I or Dan get the energy to add
>>them to the matrix.
>
>
> The "usb generic" instructions for USB-MIDI devices is a copy of the Midiman
> MidisportNxN page. This is very inaccurate and confusing, as many devices
> (e.g. the Roland/Edirol ones) aren't EZ-USB devices and don't need/accept the
> ezusbmidi firmware at all. Please, remove the ezusbmidi references from the
> generic usb-midi page.
>
Currently I am trying to maintain as few pages as possible so the
generic instructions access exactly the same data as ezusb devices.
However I have made the ezusb instructions more recognisable.
If this is still too confusing then I will have to add another variable
for all ezusb devices. I would rather not as it means one more little
thing to remember. I will add a note on the matrix for these cards below.
> On the other hand, this device is reported by Clemens:
> Steinberg http://www.steinberg.net/
> USB-2-MIDI http://www.steinberg.net/products/ae/hardware/usb2midi/
> It is another EZ-USB based device, and needs the ezusbmidi firmware to work.
> You can safely copy the Midisport page for it.
>
> I would like to insist again about including "EZ-USB" in the chipset column
> for these devices:
> Midiman Midisport NxN
> Midiman USB Keystations:
> http://www.midiman.net/products/midiman/keystations.php
> Steinberg USB-MIDI-2 adaptor:
> http://www.steinberg.net/products/ae/hardware/usb2midi/
>
> For the "chipset" column you can put here EZ-USB (or "Cypress AN2131XX")
> http://www.cypress.com/products/datasheet.cfm?partnum=AN2131SC
>
> This chipset is widely used in USB peripherals, not only MIDI ones, and it is
> related to Intel 8051 chip. The firmware loader (fxload) for this chipset is
> included in linux-hotplug: http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/
> And SDCC (Small Device C Compiler) is a GPL tool that can be used to build
> firmware drivers: http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
>
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-14 16:40 ` Clemens Ladisch
@ 2002-08-15 9:03 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-08-15 12:25 ` Clemens Ladisch
0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-15 9:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Clemens Ladisch; +Cc: alsa-devel
Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
>>Thanks. I'm collecting them for now until I or Dan get the energy to add
>>them to the matrix.
>
>
> Wouldn't it be helpful to make the matrix Open Source(TM) in order to
> be able to submit a patch/SQL script/whatever?
>
The matrix page is html (apart from the edit date) so you can just view
the source and make a patch from that which I will add :) I feel that
the more people who contribute code to the matrix the better. It would
be great to have a few more people who are willing to keep track of
certain product lines.
But if you talking about the entire docs site, you want cvs access and
you need to talk to Jaroslav as he runs the server.
>
> And while we're at it, some more USB MIDI devices for the collection:
>
Shall I or you?
> Roland/Edirol http://www.edirol.com/
> SD-20 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/sd20.html
> SD-80 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/sd80.html
> UA-700 http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ua700.html
>
> The following USB MIDI devices are green:
>
> Yamaha http://www.yamaha.com/
> CLP-150 http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/cl/clp/clp-150.html
> CLP-170 http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/cl/clp/clp-170.html
> MOTIF6 http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/motif/index.html
> MOTIF7 http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/motif/index.html
> MOTIF8 http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/motif/index.html
> MU500 http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/syndtm/p/dtm/mu500/
> MU2000 http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/syndtm/p/dtm/mu20mu10/index.html
> S08 http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/s08/index.html
> UW500 http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/uw500/index.html
> UX16 http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gEKS00001UX16
> UX96 http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gEKS00001UX96
>
>
> Clemens
>
>
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-14 16:01 ` Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
2002-08-15 8:56 ` Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-15 10:19 ` Patrick Shirkey
1 sibling, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-15 10:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas; +Cc: alsa-devel
Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
> I would like to insist again about including "EZ-USB" in the chipset column
> for these devices:
> Midiman Midisport NxN
> Midiman USB Keystations:
> http://www.midiman.net/products/midiman/keystations.php
> Steinberg USB-MIDI-2 adaptor:
> http://www.steinberg.net/products/ae/hardware/usb2midi/
>
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-15 9:03 ` Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-15 12:25 ` Clemens Ladisch
2002-08-15 12:42 ` Patrick Shirkey
0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Clemens Ladisch @ 2002-08-15 12:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Patrick Shirkey; +Cc: alsa-devel
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Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> > Wouldn't it be helpful to make the matrix Open Source(TM) in order to
> > be able to submit a patch/SQL script/whatever?
>
> The matrix page is html (apart from the edit date) so you can just view
> the source and make a patch from that which I will add :)
It looked as if generated from a database (not after looking at the
source :-)
> > And while we're at it, some more USB MIDI devices for the collection:
>
> Shall I or you?
:-)
Clemens
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-15 12:25 ` Clemens Ladisch
@ 2002-08-15 12:42 ` Patrick Shirkey
0 siblings, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-15 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Clemens Ladisch; +Cc: alsa-devel
Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
>>Clemens Ladisch wrote:
>>
>>>Wouldn't it be helpful to make the matrix Open Source(TM) in order to
>>>be able to submit a patch/SQL script/whatever?
>>
>>The matrix page is html (apart from the edit date) so you can just view
>>the source and make a patch from that which I will add :)
>
>
> It looked as if generated from a database (not after looking at the
> source :-)
>
applied.
>
>>>And while we're at it, some more USB MIDI devices for the collection:
>>
>>Shall I or you?
>
>
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* Re: new alsa docs.
2002-08-15 8:56 ` Patrick Shirkey
@ 2002-08-15 14:22 ` Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
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From: Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas @ 2002-08-15 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Patrick Shirkey; +Cc: Clemens Ladisch, alsa-devel
El Jue 15 Ago 2002 10:56, Patrick Shirkey escribió:
> Currently I am trying to maintain as few pages as possible so the
> generic instructions access exactly the same data as ezusb devices.
> However I have made the ezusb instructions more recognisable.
>
> If this is still too confusing then I will have to add another variable
> for all ezusb devices. I would rather not as it means one more little
> thing to remember. I will add a note on the matrix for these cards below.
>
Ok, it's more clear now. Thanks.
Regards,
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From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-08-21 4:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ALSA Development
Using urlencode on the template doesn't solve the problem for older
browsers.
Can anyone think of a regex to auto encode the every line in the index
page that looks like this:
<a
href="doc-php/template.php3?company=Abit&card=AU10&chip=FM801&module=fm801">Install</a>
So that the variables are ulrencoded before the page is rendered?
Otherwise I/future maintainers have to go through every device and hand
type it in and any patches that are made too.
Ergh!
I'm thinking of something like
if (line = <a href="doc-php/template.php3?...){
for (every variable){
rewrite as urlencode($variable);
}
}
would I then have to use urldecode in the template?
thx.
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