* Re: questions for alsa-devel [not found] <200210021157.g92Bvvk12578@op.net> @ 2002-10-02 12:53 ` Takashi Iwai 2002-10-02 13:17 ` Thierry Vignaud 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Takashi Iwai @ 2002-10-02 12:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Paul Davis; +Cc: alsa-devel, Thierry Vignaud Hi Paul, At Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:57:57 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > takashi - i can't post to alsa-devel at the moment (my ISP and sf.net > have messed up their configuration somehow). oh it's bad... > i tried sending these via > jaroslav, but i got no reply whatsoever and they never showed up on > the list. i guess he is quite busy now to prepare the latest patches for 2.5 kernel. > 1) do you know why support for the SiS 7012 chip has been commented > out of the intel8x0 module? everything else in ALSA suggests > that its supported, except this: > > static struct pci_device_id snd_intel8x0_joystick_ids[] __devinitdata = { > { 0x8086, 0x2410, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, 0 }, /* 82801AA */ > { 0x8086, 0x2420, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, 0 }, /* 82901AB */ > { 0x8086, 0x2440, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, 0 }, /* ICH2 */ > { 0x8086, 0x244c, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, 0 }, /* ICH2M */ > { 0x8086, 0x248c, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, 0 }, /* ICH3 */ > // { 0x8086, 0x7195, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, 0 }, /* 440MX */ > // { 0x1039, 0x7012, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, 0 }, /* SI7012 */ > { 0x10de, 0x01b2, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, 0 }, /* NFORCE */ > { 0, } > }; si7012 is still supported. the array above is the list for joystick supports :) the pcm should work: static struct pci_device_id snd_intel8x0_ids[] __devinitdata = { ... { 0x1039, 0x7012, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, DEVICE_SIS }, /* SI7012 */ ... }; > 2) i recently compiled rc3 on a mandrake 8.2 system. everything went > smoothly. when i went to modprobe, i got messages suggesting to me > that there a mismatch between the kernels and the ALSA modules with > respect to symbol versioning. (several missing symbols, all with > versions). i've looked through the archives and tried google, but i > can't see how to fix this or if something else is going on. most likely the driver was built with the incompatible kernel tree. please check whether you installed the correct kernel-source package and configure points the right directory (you can pass the directory via --with-kernel option). or, it could be a problem of rc3. i've never compiled with module version. could you show which symbols are missing? also, please note that on some distribution such like SuSE, you need to overwrite certain kernel header files to match with the running kernel. for example, in the case of SuSE, /boot/vmlinuz.autoconf.h and /boot/vmlinuz.version.h must be renamed and copied to /usr/src/linux/include/linux, if you use an SMP kernel. i'm not sure how about on mandrake, so cc'ed to Thierry. ciao, Takashi ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: questions for alsa-devel 2002-10-02 12:53 ` questions for alsa-devel Takashi Iwai @ 2002-10-02 13:17 ` Thierry Vignaud 2002-10-02 13:29 ` Takashi Iwai 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Thierry Vignaud @ 2002-10-02 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: Paul Davis, alsa-devel Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> writes: > > 2) i recently compiled rc3 on a mandrake 8.2 system. everything > > went smoothly. when i went to modprobe, i got messages suggesting > > to me that there a mismatch between the kernels and the ALSA > > modules with respect to symbol versioning. (several missing > > symbols, all with versions). i've looked through the archives and > > tried google, but i can't see how to fix this or if something else > > is going on. 1) "make mrproper" should be the first step when recompiling a kernel from the kernel-source package since it has previously be used to compile our various kernel (up, smp, enterprise [smp+highmem], secure, linus (no patches), BOOT [for drakx installer]). most people don't do it and have problems. 2) alter the extraversion in main Makefile so that you don't screw up the mandrake kernel if you make something wrong (there's a rescue on the first cd but just avoid troubles) eg: in mdk9.0, we now alter it by default ("EXTRAVERSION = -16mdk" became "EXTRAVERSION = -16mdkcustom") these 2 items should prevent versionning problems regarding modules 3) you can then steal the mdk kernel config from /boot/config (link on /boot/config-2.4.....) 4) note that if you boot with a kernel with alsa-0.9.0, all your alsa apps won't work unless you use them in oss emulation mode. it may be a lot simpler to update to mdk9.0, either by urpmi or by running drakx from cds or the net (just cat images/network.img on a floppy) > most likely the driver was built with the incompatible kernel tree. > please check whether you installed the correct kernel-source package > and configure points the right directory (you can pass the directory > via --with-kernel option). alsa default to /usr/src/linux which should be a link to linux-2.4.8... it might just be simpler to steal juan patch that put alsa in sound directory (look at linux-2.4.19-qX tarball and the mdk9.0 srpm spec file) but then, it's even simpler to recompile the srpm or just install the binary rpm from mdk9.0 ... > or, it could be a problem of rc3. i've never compiled with module > version. could you show which symbols are missing? hum, mdk9.0 is compiled with module versionning and we've no problems (i mean there're bugs but not such problems) ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: questions for alsa-devel 2002-10-02 13:17 ` Thierry Vignaud @ 2002-10-02 13:29 ` Takashi Iwai 2002-10-02 13:37 ` Thierry Vignaud 2002-10-02 16:12 ` Patrick Shirkey 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Takashi Iwai @ 2002-10-02 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thierry Vignaud; +Cc: Paul Davis, alsa-devel Hi, At Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:17:10 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote: > > Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> writes: > > > > 2) i recently compiled rc3 on a mandrake 8.2 system. everything > > > went smoothly. when i went to modprobe, i got messages suggesting > > > to me that there a mismatch between the kernels and the ALSA > > > modules with respect to symbol versioning. (several missing > > > symbols, all with versions). i've looked through the archives and > > > tried google, but i can't see how to fix this or if something else > > > is going on. > > 1) "make mrproper" should be the first step when recompiling a kernel > from the kernel-source package since it has previously be used to > compile our various kernel (up, smp, enterprise [smp+highmem], > secure, linus (no patches), BOOT [for drakx installer]). > > most people don't do it and have problems. > > 2) alter the extraversion in main Makefile so that you don't screw up > the mandrake kernel if you make something wrong (there's a rescue > on the first cd but just avoid troubles) > eg: in mdk9.0, we now alter it by default ("EXTRAVERSION = -16mdk" > became "EXTRAVERSION = -16mdkcustom") > > these 2 items should prevent versionning problems regarding modules > > 3) you can then steal the mdk kernel config from /boot/config (link on > /boot/config-2.4.....) it would be nice to collect such info for each distribution and put them on alsa's web page. > 4) note that if you boot with a kernel with alsa-0.9.0, all your alsa > apps won't work unless you use them in oss emulation mode. why? is there any incompatibility? Takashi ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: questions for alsa-devel 2002-10-02 13:29 ` Takashi Iwai @ 2002-10-02 13:37 ` Thierry Vignaud 2002-10-02 13:44 ` Takashi Iwai 2002-10-03 1:51 ` James Courtier-Dutton 2002-10-02 16:12 ` Patrick Shirkey 1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Thierry Vignaud @ 2002-10-02 13:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: Paul Davis, alsa-devel Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> writes: > > 4) note that if you boot with a kernel with alsa-0.9.0, all your > > alsa apps won't work unless you use them in oss emulation mode. > > why? is there any incompatibility? i presume you joke ? remember the incompatible apis of alsa-0.5.x and alsa-0.9.x ? :-) ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: questions for alsa-devel 2002-10-02 13:37 ` Thierry Vignaud @ 2002-10-02 13:44 ` Takashi Iwai 2002-10-03 1:51 ` James Courtier-Dutton 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Takashi Iwai @ 2002-10-02 13:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thierry Vignaud; +Cc: Paul Davis, alsa-devel At Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:37:35 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote: > > Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> writes: > > > > 4) note that if you boot with a kernel with alsa-0.9.0, all your > > > alsa apps won't work unless you use them in oss emulation mode. > > > > why? is there any incompatibility? > > i presume you joke ? > remember the incompatible apis of alsa-0.5.x and alsa-0.9.x ? :-) oh, i didn't think of apps with 0.5.x... understood. my silly question. Takashi ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: questions for alsa-devel 2002-10-02 13:37 ` Thierry Vignaud 2002-10-02 13:44 ` Takashi Iwai @ 2002-10-03 1:51 ` James Courtier-Dutton 2002-10-03 15:27 ` James Tappin 2002-10-07 6:46 ` Thierry Vignaud 1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: James Courtier-Dutton @ 2002-10-03 1:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thierry Vignaud; +Cc: alsa-devel Thierry Vignaud wrote: >Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> writes: > > > >>>4) note that if you boot with a kernel with alsa-0.9.0, all your >>> alsa apps won't work unless you use them in oss emulation mode. >>> >>> >> >>why? is there any incompatibility? >> >> > >i presume you joke ? >remember the incompatible apis of alsa-0.5.x and alsa-0.9.x ? :-) > > > You are assuming that people still use alsa-0.5.x in applications. For example, xine (xine.sf.net) dropped support for alsa-0.5.x ages ago, it only supports alsa-0.9.x. It also supports lots of other audio drivers, eg. oss, esd, arts etc. Are there still applications out there that only support alsa-0.5.x and not alsa-0.9.x. alsa-0.9.x is so much easier to program an application for than alsa-0.5.x ever was. Cheers James ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: questions for alsa-devel 2002-10-03 1:51 ` James Courtier-Dutton @ 2002-10-03 15:27 ` James Tappin 2002-10-07 6:46 ` Thierry Vignaud 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: James Tappin @ 2002-10-03 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: alsa-devel On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:51:35 +1000 James Courtier-Dutton <James@superbug.demon.co.uk> wrote: J JCD> You are assuming that people still use alsa-0.5.x in applications. JCD> For example, xine (xine.sf.net) dropped support for alsa-0.5.x ages JCD> ago, it only supports alsa-0.9.x. JCD> It also supports lots of other audio drivers, eg. oss, esd, arts JCD> etc. Are there still applications out there that only support JCD> alsa-0.5.x and not alsa-0.9.x. The MIDI stuff in KDE springs to mind, unless they've gotten their act together in the 3.1 betas. James -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: questions for alsa-devel 2002-10-03 1:51 ` James Courtier-Dutton 2002-10-03 15:27 ` James Tappin @ 2002-10-07 6:46 ` Thierry Vignaud 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Thierry Vignaud @ 2002-10-07 6:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: James Courtier-Dutton; +Cc: alsa-devel James Courtier-Dutton <James@superbug.demon.co.uk> writes: > You are assuming that people still use alsa-0.5.x in applications. > For example, xine (xine.sf.net) dropped support for alsa-0.5.x ages > ago, it only supports alsa-0.9.x. > It also supports lots of other audio drivers, eg. oss, esd, arts etc. > Are there still applications out there that only support alsa-0.5.x > and not alsa-0.9.x. > alsa-0.9.x is so much easier to program an application for than > alsa-0.5.x ever was. we're talking about booting with an alsa-0.9.0 kernel on a distro builded 8 monthes ago with libalsa-0.5.x ... ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: questions for alsa-devel 2002-10-02 13:29 ` Takashi Iwai 2002-10-02 13:37 ` Thierry Vignaud @ 2002-10-02 16:12 ` Patrick Shirkey 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Patrick Shirkey @ 2002-10-02 16:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: Thierry Vignaud, Paul Davis, alsa-devel Takashi Iwai wrote: > Hi, > > At Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:17:10 +0200, > Thierry Vignaud wrote: > >>Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> writes: >> >> >>>>2) i recently compiled rc3 on a mandrake 8.2 system. everything >>>>went smoothly. when i went to modprobe, i got messages suggesting >>>>to me that there a mismatch between the kernels and the ALSA >>>>modules with respect to symbol versioning. (several missing >>>>symbols, all with versions). i've looked through the archives and >>>>tried google, but i can't see how to fix this or if something else >>>>is going on. >>> >>1) "make mrproper" should be the first step when recompiling a kernel >> from the kernel-source package since it has previously be used to >> compile our various kernel (up, smp, enterprise [smp+highmem], >> secure, linus (no patches), BOOT [for drakx installer]). >> >> most people don't do it and have problems. >> >>2) alter the extraversion in main Makefile so that you don't screw up >> the mandrake kernel if you make something wrong (there's a rescue >> on the first cd but just avoid troubles) >> eg: in mdk9.0, we now alter it by default ("EXTRAVERSION = -16mdk" >> became "EXTRAVERSION = -16mdkcustom") >> >>these 2 items should prevent versionning problems regarding modules >> >>3) you can then steal the mdk kernel config from /boot/config (link on >> /boot/config-2.4.....) > > > it would be nice to collect such info for each distribution and put > them on alsa's web page. > I will write it up if people send me the info that needs to be included. Like this thread. What should the page be called though? > > >>4) note that if you boot with a kernel with alsa-0.9.0, all your alsa >> apps won't work unless you use them in oss emulation mode. > > > why? is there any incompatibility? > > > Takashi > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Alsa-devel mailing list > Alsa-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel > > -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. For the discerning hardware connoisseur Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Um...symbol_get and symbol_put... They're kindof like does anyone remember like get_symbol and put_symbol I think we used to have..." - Rusty Russell in his talk on the module subsystem ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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