From: Peter Williams <peterw@aurema.com>
To: Joachim B Haga <c.j.b.haga@fys.uio.no>
Cc: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] O(1) Entitlement Based Scheduler
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:56:28 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <40426E1C.8010806@aurema.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yydjishqw10p.fsf@galizur.uio.no>
Joachim B Haga wrote:
> Peter Williams <peterw@aurema.com> writes:
>
>
>>>>They already do e.g. renice is such a program.
>>>
>>>No one's talking about LOWERING priority here. You can only DoS
>>>someone else if you can set negative nice values, and non-root
>>>can't do that.
>>
>>Which is why root has to be in control of the mechanism.
>
>
> It seems to me that much of this could be solved if the user *were*
> allowed to lower nice values (down to 0).
>
> Right now the only way I can prioritize between my own processes by
> starting important/timing sensitive programs normally and everything
> else reniced. The problem is that the first category consists of one
> or two programs while the second category is, well, "everything else".
>
> I would *love* to be able to start the window manager and all children
> at +10 and be able to adjust priorities, from 0 (important user-level)
> to 10 (normal) to 20. Negative values could still be root-only.
>
> So why shouldn't this be possible? Because a greedy user in a
> multi-user system would just run everything at max prio thus defeating
> the purpose? Sure, that would be annoying but it would have another
> solution ie. an entitlement based scheduler or something.
More importantly it would allow ordinary users to override root's
settings e.g. if (for whatever reason) the sysadmin decided to renice a
task to 19 (say) this modification would allow the owner of the task to
renice it back to zero. This is the reason that it isn't be allowed.
Peter
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2004-02-29 11:58 ` [RFC][PATCH] O(1) Entitlement Based Scheduler Joachim B Haga
2004-02-29 20:39 ` Paul Jackson
2004-02-29 22:56 ` Peter Williams [this message]
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2004-03-03 21:38 ` Bill Davidsen
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2004-03-03 2:48 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-03 3:45 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-03 10:13 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-03 23:46 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-03 15:57 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-04 0:41 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-05 3:55 ` Andi Kleen
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2004-03-01 9:18 ` Joachim B Haga
2004-03-01 10:18 ` Paul Wagland
2004-03-01 19:11 ` Mike Fedyk
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2004-03-01 1:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2004-03-01 2:54 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-01 3:46 ` Andy Lutomirski
2004-03-01 4:18 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-02 23:36 ` Peter Williams
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2004-03-01 0:00 ` Peter Chubb
2004-03-02 1:25 ` Peter Williams
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2004-02-27 3:44 ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-28 21:27 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-02-28 23:55 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-04 21:08 ` Timothy Miller
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2004-02-26 20:14 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-02-26 3:30 Albert Cahalan
2004-02-26 6:19 ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26 17:57 ` Albert Cahalan
2004-02-26 23:24 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-01 3:47 ` Peter Williams
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2004-02-25 23:33 ` Junio C Hamano
2004-02-26 8:15 ` Catalin BOIE
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2004-02-25 14:35 John Lee
2004-02-25 17:09 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 22:12 ` John Lee
2004-02-26 0:31 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-26 2:04 ` John Lee
2004-02-26 2:18 ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26 2:42 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-26 4:10 ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26 4:19 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-26 19:23 ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-02-26 19:46 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-26 20:42 ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-02-26 16:10 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-26 19:47 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-26 22:51 ` Peter Williams
2004-02-27 10:06 ` Helge Hafting
2004-02-27 11:04 ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26 16:08 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-26 16:51 ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-26 20:15 ` Peter Williams
2004-02-27 14:46 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-28 5:00 ` Peter Williams
2004-03-04 21:18 ` Robert White
2004-03-04 23:15 ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26 2:48 ` Nuno Silva
2004-02-26 4:25 ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26 15:57 ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-26 19:28 ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-02-26 16:12 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 22:51 ` Pavel Machek
2004-02-26 3:14 ` John Lee
2004-02-25 23:45 ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-26 7:18 ` John Lee
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