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From: Peter Williams <peterw@aurema.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@myrealbox.com>
Cc: John Lee <johnl@aurema.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] O(1) Entitlement Based Scheduler
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:54:32 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4042A5E8.9040706@aurema.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <404297D1.5010301@myrealbox.com>

Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> How hard would it be to make shares hierarchial?  For example (quoted 
> names are just descriptive):
> 
>      "guaranteed" (10 shares)       "user" (5 shares)
>                |                          |
>       -----------------            -----------------
>       |               |            |               |
>  "root" (1)      "apache" (2)    "bob" (5)       "fred" (5)
>       |               |            |               |
> (more groups?)    (web servers)   etc.            etc.
> 
> 
> This way one user is prevented from taking unfair CPU time by launcing 
> too many processes, apache gets enough time no matter what, etc.  In 
> this scheme, numbers of shares would only be comparable if they are 
> children of the same node.  Also, it now becomes safe to let users 
> _increase_ priorities of their processes -- it doesn't affect anyone else.
> 
> Ignoring limts, this should be just an exercise in keeping track of 
> shares and eliminating the 1/420 limit in precision.  It would take some 
> thought to figure out what nice should do.
> 

As Peter Chubb has stated such control is possible and is available on 
Tru64, Solaris and Windows with Aurema's (<http://www.aurema.com>) 
ARMTech product.  The CKRM project also addresses this issue.

> 
> Also, could interactivity problems be solved something like this:
> 
>   prio = (  (old EBS usage ratio) - 0.5  ) * i + 0.5
> 
> "i" would be a per-process interactivity factor (normally 1, but higher 
> for interactive processes) which would only boost them when their CPU 
> usage is low.  This makes interactive processes get their timeslices 
> early (very high priority at low CPU consumption) but prevents abuse by 
> preventing excessive CPU consumption.  This could even by set by the 
> (untrusted) process itself.
> 

Interactive processes do very well under EBS without any special treatment.

Programs such as xmms aren't really interactive processes although they 
usually have a very low CPU usage rate like interactive processes.  What 
distinguishes them is their need for REGULAR access to the CPU.  It's 
unlikely that such a modification would help with the need for regularity.

Once again I'll stress that in order to cause xmms to skip we had to (on 
a single CPU machine) run a kernel build with -j 16 which causes a 
system load well in excess of 10 and is NOT a normal load.  Under normal 
loads xmms performs OK.

> 
> I imagine that these two together would nicely solve most interactivity 
> and fairness issues -- the former prevents starvation by other users and 
> the latter prevents latency caused by large numbers of CPU-light tasks.
> 
> 
> Is this sane?

Yes.  Fairness between users rather than between tasks is a sane desire 
but beyond the current scope of EBS.

> And does it break the O(1) promotion algorithm?

No, it would not break the O(1) promotion algorithm.

Peter
-- 
Dr Peter Williams, Chief Scientist                peterw@aurema.com
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-01  2:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.jgj0bdi.b3u6qk@ifi.uio.no>
2004-03-01  1:54 ` [RFC][PATCH] O(1) Entitlement Based Scheduler Andy Lutomirski
2004-03-01  2:54   ` Peter Williams [this message]
2004-03-01  3:46     ` Andy Lutomirski
2004-03-01  4:18       ` Peter Williams
2004-03-02 23:36   ` Peter Williams
     [not found] <1vuMd-5jx-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1vuMd-5jx-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <1vuMd-5jx-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <1vuMd-5jx-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <1vuMd-5jx-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <1vvyx-6jy-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <1vBE2-48V-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-03-03 21:38             ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found] <fa.fi4j08o.17nchps@ifi.uio.no.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <fa.ctat17m.8mqa3c@ifi.uio.no.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <yydjishqw10p.fsf@galizur.uio.no.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]     ` <40426E1C.8010806@aurema.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2004-03-03  2:48       ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-03  3:45         ` Peter Williams
2004-03-03 10:13           ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-03 23:46             ` Peter Williams
2004-03-03 15:57           ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-04  0:41             ` Peter Williams
2004-03-05  3:55               ` Andi Kleen
     [not found] <fa.ftul5bl.nlk3pr@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.cvc8vnj.ahebjd@ifi.uio.no>
2004-03-01  9:18   ` Joachim B Haga
2004-03-01 10:18     ` Paul Wagland
2004-03-01 19:11       ` Mike Fedyk
     [not found] <894006121@toto.iv>
2004-03-01  0:00 ` Peter Chubb
2004-03-02  1:25   ` Peter Williams
     [not found] <fa.fi4j08o.17nchps@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.ctat17m.8mqa3c@ifi.uio.no>
2004-02-29 11:58   ` Joachim B Haga
2004-02-29 20:39     ` Paul Jackson
2004-02-29 22:56     ` Peter Williams
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     [not found] ` <1th6J-az-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <403E2929.2080705@tmr.com>
2004-02-27  3:44     ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-28 21:27       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-02-28 23:55         ` Peter Williams
2004-03-04 21:08           ` Timothy Miller
     [not found] <1tfy0-7ly-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1thzJ-A5-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <1tjrN-2m5-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <1tjLa-2Ab-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <1tlaf-3OY-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <1tljX-3Wf-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <1tznd-CP-35@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <1tzQe-10s-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-02-26 20:14               ` Bill Davidsen
2004-02-26  3:30 Albert Cahalan
2004-02-26  6:19 ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26 17:57   ` Albert Cahalan
2004-02-26 23:24     ` Peter Williams
2004-03-01  3:47       ` Peter Williams
     [not found] <fa.f12rt3d.c0s9rt@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.ishajoq.q5g90m@ifi.uio.no>
2004-02-25 23:33   ` Junio C Hamano
2004-02-26  8:15     ` Catalin BOIE
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-02-25 14:35 John Lee
2004-02-25 17:09 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 22:12   ` John Lee
2004-02-26  0:31     ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-26  2:04       ` John Lee
2004-02-26  2:18       ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26  2:42         ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-26  4:10           ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26  4:19             ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-26 19:23               ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-02-26 19:46                 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-26 20:42                   ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-02-26 16:10           ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-26 19:47             ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-26 22:51             ` Peter Williams
2004-02-27 10:06               ` Helge Hafting
2004-02-27 11:04                 ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26 16:08         ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-26 16:51           ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-26 20:15           ` Peter Williams
2004-02-27 14:46             ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-28  5:00               ` Peter Williams
2004-03-04 21:18         ` Robert White
2004-03-04 23:15           ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26  2:48       ` Nuno Silva
2004-02-26  4:25         ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26 15:57           ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-26 19:28             ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-02-26 16:12         ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 22:51 ` Pavel Machek
2004-02-26  3:14   ` John Lee
2004-02-25 23:45 ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-26  7:18 ` John Lee

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