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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Walter Landry <wlandry@ucsd.edu>,
	debian-legal@lists.debian.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com,
	ed@debian.org, cavok@debian.org
Subject: Re: reiser4 non-free?
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:57:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40A113ED.8000706@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200405111635.i4BGZFZ1024441@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:

>On Tue, 11 May 2004 09:03:11 PDT, Hans Reiser said:
>  
>
>>Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>I pondered the whole "credits" question for a bit last night, and I realized
>>>that (a) I could account for at least the last 75 'mkfs' commands I had caused
>>>to run, and (b) of those 75, exactly *one* did *not* have all of its output
>>>swallowed by 'anaconda' during a RedHat or Fedora install.....
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>Yes, I believe that, and that is my concern. 
>>    
>>
>
>Unfortunately, this way lies madness - the IBM AIX install stuff *does* scroll
>the copyrights for every single program as it installs.
>
>It *sucks*.  Badly.
>  
>
Random credits are the elegant answer.  Displaying only the distro name 
at boot time is morally wrong.

>I've had system upgrades that have had 12 *thousand* lines of output from
>copyright notices - and the way IBM makes sure that you see them is by
>outputting them to the same place as the error messages, so you can't just
>redirect the notices.
>
>And yes, at least twice I've managed to render a system unbootable because I
>missed something important scrolling by....
>
>The problem isn't "What do we do if Hans does this?".. The problem is that
>Fedora Core 2 is coming in at just under 1,700 RPMs, of which some 750 are
>installed in a default "workstation" install.
>
>What happens when the *other* 749 do it too?  You end up with a tragedy
>of the commons - *none* of the 750 get read, and the installer becomes
>unusable....
>
>  
>
If you display a short blurb explaining what each program does and who 
wrote it, most users will find it interesting as they sit there boredly 
waiting.  If the speed of install is too fast, make them randomly 
selected samples.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-11 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-10 11:22 reiser4 non-free? Humberto Massa
2004-05-10 11:36 ` mjt
2004-05-11  1:49 ` Walter Landry
2004-05-11  1:58   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-11  2:33     ` Walter Landry
2004-05-11  3:53       ` Raul Miller
2004-05-11 15:02       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-11 16:03         ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-11 16:35           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-11 17:57             ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2004-05-11 19:06               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-15 21:52                 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-11  7:10   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-11 10:52     ` mjt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-11 17:29 Burnes, James
2004-05-11 17:53 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-08 14:13 Humberto Massa
2004-05-09 18:47 ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] <pHiWpB.A.zfD.ypomAB@murphy>
2004-05-06 19:56 ` Humberto Massa
2004-05-06 20:01   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 20:03   ` Narcoleptic Electron
2004-05-06 20:17     ` Humberto Massa
2004-05-06 20:08   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-08  1:21     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] <kkKLVD.A.2NF.qPomAB@murphy>
2004-05-06 19:26 ` Humberto Massa
2004-05-04 17:02 Fwd: " Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:00 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06  2:52   ` David Masover
2004-05-06 12:32     ` Walter Landry
2004-05-06 13:44       ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 14:36         ` Domenico Andreoli
2004-05-06 16:35           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-06 16:43           ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 18:10             ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 18:42               ` Matthew Garrett
2004-05-06 18:59                 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 23:16                   ` Steve Langasek
2004-05-06 23:18                   ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-07 18:18                   ` Raul Miller
2004-05-06 22:55               ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-07  1:21                 ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-07  2:12                   ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-12 13:31                     ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-07  6:47                 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-08 13:50                   ` Sami Liedes
2004-05-06 23:23               ` Matthew Palmer
2004-05-06 23:40                 ` Raul Miller
2004-05-07  0:15                   ` Stefan Traby
2004-05-10 17:15                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-10 17:20                     ` Raul Miller
2004-05-07 16:14                 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-09  7:08                   ` Matthew Palmer
2004-05-06 18:41             ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:40               ` Stefan Traby
2004-04-24 19:32 Fwd: " Domenico Andreoli
2004-04-30  4:50 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 12:20   ` Walter Landry
2004-04-30 14:55     ` Narcoleptic Electron

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