From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: MJ Ray <mjr@dsl.pipex.com>
Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 10:02:28 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4097CCA4.4060707@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43ff070d5077e49f1e08a63368e4569c@bouncing.localnet>
There is a difference between free software and plagiarizable software.
The two are orthogonal concepts.
Debian wants software to be both free and plagiarizable. XFree86 and I
want our software to be free but not plagiarizable. In general, I want
software to not be plagiarizable, as I think it works against the
societal interest to not attribute accurately. Saying that plagiarism
is an important freedom is like saying assault is something you must be
allowed to do if you are to be considered free.
Hans
MJ Ray wrote:
> On 2004-05-04 17:20:56 +0100 Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com> wrote:
>
>> I understand why they lost interest in talking to persons who cannot
>> grasp that distros removed mention of them from their man pages and
>> this was wrong.
>
>
> That's actually irrelevant in that case. Their advertising clause is
> actually not the reason for it being non-free, as I understand it,
> although it does make it GPL-incompatible, which is a bit irritating.
>
> Their licence requires extreme protection of their name as a
> condition, which seems unacceptable for free software. If I even
> mention in a factual review who holds the copyright to the software, I
> have probably failed the letter of the conditions.
>
> It seems a little cruel of you to punish all users by taking your code
> non-free because you are not happy with some distributor actions. You
> should work with the distributors instead of accusing them of
> immorality as an opening tactic. That should be the last resort, not
> the first.
>
>> I sent them a thanks for being brave enough to take on the task of
>> changing licensing mores and forcing distros to attribute, and I got
>> a response.;-)
>
>
> You seem to enjoy working against free software. I got some responses,
> too, as previously mentioned.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-05-04 17:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-04-24 19:32 Fwd: reiser4 non-free? Domenico Andreoli
2004-04-25 16:13 ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30 4:50 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 5:56 ` Don Armstrong
2004-04-30 11:48 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 14:12 ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-04-30 15:33 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-30 16:52 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 16:58 ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-01 19:40 ` Steve Langasek
2004-04-30 17:07 ` David Masover
2004-04-30 17:58 ` Hubert Chan
2004-04-30 22:53 ` David Masover
2004-05-02 19:46 ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30 15:13 ` Scott James Remnant
2004-04-30 17:43 ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-02 21:02 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 21:55 ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-02 22:37 ` Martin List-Petersen
2004-05-03 17:04 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:19 ` Martin List-Petersen
2004-05-03 17:30 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 6:58 ` mjt
2004-05-03 17:11 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:21 ` mjt
2004-05-03 17:35 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:49 ` mjt
2004-05-03 18:00 ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-04 16:01 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:57 ` Martin Dickopp
2004-05-04 15:50 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 19:43 ` mjt
2004-05-03 22:25 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-03 16:35 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 18:16 ` Mahesh T. Pai
2004-05-03 18:55 ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-03 23:06 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-03 21:33 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-03 21:53 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-05-04 0:00 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04 7:52 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-05-04 16:20 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 16:45 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04 17:02 ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2004-05-04 17:38 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04 17:47 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:15 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-06 18:53 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:00 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-05-06 19:14 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:22 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 21:19 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-06 23:21 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 23:29 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-07 7:04 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:00 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 2:52 ` David Masover
2004-05-06 12:32 ` Walter Landry
2004-05-06 13:44 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 14:36 ` Domenico Andreoli
2004-05-06 16:35 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-06 16:43 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 18:10 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 18:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2004-05-06 18:59 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 23:16 ` Steve Langasek
2004-05-06 23:18 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-07 18:18 ` Raul Miller
2004-05-06 22:55 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-07 1:21 ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-07 2:12 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-12 13:31 ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-07 6:47 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-08 13:50 ` Sami Liedes
2004-05-06 23:23 ` Matthew Palmer
2004-05-06 23:40 ` Raul Miller
2004-05-07 0:15 ` Stefan Traby
2004-05-10 17:15 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-10 17:20 ` Raul Miller
2004-05-07 16:14 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-09 7:08 ` Matthew Palmer
2004-05-06 18:41 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:40 ` Stefan Traby
2004-05-04 18:57 ` Fwd: " Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-06 19:34 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:49 ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-06 19:54 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:56 ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-06 20:02 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:20 ` Martin Michlmayr
2004-05-04 17:40 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:54 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:44 ` Joe Wreschnig
2004-05-06 18:58 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-10 17:59 ` Branden Robinson
2004-04-30 12:02 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 13:25 ` Fwd: reiser4 non-free? [OT] evilninja
2004-04-30 13:34 ` Fwd: reiser4 non-free? MJ Ray
2004-05-03 14:24 ` Claus Färber
2004-05-04 9:56 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-10 18:15 ` Branden Robinson
2004-04-30 12:20 ` Walter Landry
2004-04-30 14:55 ` Narcoleptic Electron
2004-04-30 8:34 ` Fwd: " Stewart Smith
2004-04-30 18:15 ` Steve Langasek
2004-05-02 18:51 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 16:26 ` Michael Milverton
2004-04-30 16:56 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-01 5:02 ` Michael Milverton
2004-05-02 19:12 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 21:03 ` Stefan Traby
2004-04-30 16:56 ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30 17:13 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 19:42 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-02 19:55 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 17:23 ` Jason Stubbs
2004-04-30 22:39 ` David Masover
2004-05-03 22:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-04 2:07 ` David Masover
2004-05-02 17:03 ` Hans Reiser
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-03 17:41 Burnes, James
2004-05-03 17:45 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 18:38 ` Martin List-Petersen
[not found] <A69517E67905B6429D57AA9EB6C86E6855266A@haynesmail.haynes-group.com>
2004-05-03 20:16 ` Tim Donahue
2004-05-04 19:18 Burnes, James
2004-05-05 3:11 ` Michael Milverton
2004-05-05 20:10 ` mjt
2004-05-07 15:51 Dawson, Larry
2004-05-07 16:26 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-07 16:40 Dawson, Larry
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