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From: David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com>
To: Hubert Chan <hubert@uhoreg.ca>
Cc: reiserfs-list@namesys.com, debian-legal@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:53:21 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4092D8E1.3010607@slaphack.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87isfh73gb.fsf@uhoreg.ca>

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|>>>>>"David" == David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> writes:
|
|
| [...]
|
| David> Basically, by having "free" and "non-free", you lump everything
| David> together into "free" as in absolutely, strictly, lilly-white,
| David> no-strings-attached freedom, while "non-free" covers everything
| David> from reiser (free, as above, with the restriction that there must
| David> be attribution) to microsoft (you pay a huge license fee and
| David> basically sign away your soul).
|
| Actually, things Microsoft would most likely not even get into
| non-free.  Things in non-free must still be freely distributable, which
| most Microsoft things are not.

Most of them.  I wonder if all of them technically require a Windows
license?

| So there is "free", "non-free", and "not-even-packaged-because-we-can't-
| distribute-it".

Still not a whole lot of options.

| Also, non-free is technically not a part of Debian -- it is only
| maintained as a convenience to users.  Putting something in non-free
| basically means, "we can't put this into Debian proper because it
| conflicts with our Social Contract, but we recognize that users may
| still want to use it."

So it'd be a convenience to users (or maybe users should add this
themselves?) to allow for more selective allowing or disallowing of
licenses.

I don't have much personal investment in this -- I use Gentoo, and it's
fairly likely that when I get some free time, I'm going to configure it
to deal with licenses better.  This is because Gentoo already has the
foundation laid for that (and a lot of things) but no actual interface.
~ Every ebuild has a line like this:

LICENSE="GPL"

And in /usr/portage/licenses is a copy of every single license.  So what
would be nice is a way for Portage to, when given a list of packages,
prompt the user to read and agree to licenses:

Do you accept license "GPL" for package "sys-devel/gcc"?
(yes/no/always/never/read):

That wouldn't be too hard to implement for Gentoo.  I'm not sure about
Debian.  Either way, it would involve little or no maintenance on the
part of the package maintainers -- in fact, you could say that Debian
only officially supports a particular list of licenses, but let the user
go ahead and read each one and decide to agree/disagree.  It'd create a
config file that can be copied from machine to machine.

This is getting fairly offtopic for reiserfs-list, and I am losing
interest.  At least, I find Debian to be too strict about stability and
licensing, and I would use reiser4 regardless of the distro.
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-30 22:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-24 19:32 Fwd: reiser4 non-free? Domenico Andreoli
2004-04-25 16:13 ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30  4:50 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30  5:56   ` Don Armstrong
2004-04-30 11:48     ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 14:12       ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-04-30 15:33         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-30 16:52           ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 16:58           ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-01 19:40           ` Steve Langasek
2004-04-30 17:07         ` David Masover
2004-04-30 17:58           ` Hubert Chan
2004-04-30 22:53             ` David Masover [this message]
2004-05-02 19:46           ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30 15:13       ` Scott James Remnant
2004-04-30 17:43       ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-02 21:02         ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 21:55           ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-02 22:37             ` Martin List-Petersen
2004-05-03 17:04               ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:19                 ` Martin List-Petersen
2004-05-03 17:30                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03  6:58             ` mjt
2004-05-03 17:11               ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:21                 ` mjt
2004-05-03 17:35                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:49                     ` mjt
2004-05-03 18:00                       ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-04 16:01                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:57                           ` Martin Dickopp
2004-05-04 15:50                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 19:43                         ` mjt
2004-05-03 22:25               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-03 16:35             ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 18:16               ` Mahesh T. Pai
2004-05-03 18:55               ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-03 23:06               ` MJ Ray
2004-05-03 21:33           ` MJ Ray
2004-05-03 21:53             ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-05-04  0:00               ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04  7:52                 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-05-04 16:20                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 16:45                     ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04 17:02                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:38                         ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04 17:47                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:15                             ` MJ Ray
2004-05-06 18:53                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:00                                 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-05-06 19:14                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:22                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 21:19                                 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-06 23:21                                   ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 23:29                                     ` MJ Ray
2004-05-07  7:04                                     ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:00                         ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06  2:52                           ` David Masover
2004-05-06 12:32                             ` Walter Landry
2004-05-06 13:44                               ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 14:36                                 ` Domenico Andreoli
2004-05-06 16:35                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-06 16:43                                   ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 18:10                                     ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 18:42                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2004-05-06 18:59                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 23:16                                           ` Steve Langasek
2004-05-06 23:18                                           ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-07 18:18                                           ` Raul Miller
2004-05-06 22:55                                       ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-07  1:21                                         ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-07  2:12                                           ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-12 13:31                                             ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-07  6:47                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-08 13:50                                           ` Sami Liedes
2004-05-06 23:23                                       ` Matthew Palmer
2004-05-06 23:40                                         ` Raul Miller
2004-05-07  0:15                                           ` Stefan Traby
2004-05-10 17:15                                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-10 17:20                                             ` Raul Miller
2004-05-07 16:14                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-09  7:08                                           ` Matthew Palmer
2004-05-06 18:41                                     ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:40                                       ` Stefan Traby
2004-05-04 18:57                         ` Fwd: " Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-06 19:34                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:49                             ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-06 19:54                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:56                                 ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-06 20:02                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:20                     ` Martin Michlmayr
2004-05-04 17:40                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:54                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:44                         ` Joe Wreschnig
2004-05-06 18:58                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-10 17:59                     ` Branden Robinson
2004-04-30 12:02     ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 13:25       ` Fwd: reiser4 non-free? [OT] evilninja
2004-04-30 13:34       ` Fwd: reiser4 non-free? MJ Ray
2004-05-03 14:24         ` Claus Färber
2004-05-04  9:56           ` MJ Ray
2004-05-10 18:15             ` Branden Robinson
2004-04-30 12:20   ` Walter Landry
2004-04-30 14:55     ` Narcoleptic Electron
2004-04-30  8:34 ` Fwd: " Stewart Smith
2004-04-30 18:15   ` Steve Langasek
2004-05-02 18:51     ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 16:26 ` Michael Milverton
2004-04-30 16:56   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-01  5:02     ` Michael Milverton
2004-05-02 19:12       ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 21:03         ` Stefan Traby
2004-04-30 16:56   ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30 17:13     ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 19:42       ` MJ Ray
2004-05-02 19:55         ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 17:23   ` Jason Stubbs
2004-04-30 22:39     ` David Masover
2004-05-03 22:15       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-04  2:07         ` David Masover
2004-05-02 17:03     ` Hans Reiser
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-03 17:41 Burnes, James
2004-05-03 17:45 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 18:38 ` Martin List-Petersen
     [not found] <A69517E67905B6429D57AA9EB6C86E6855266A@haynesmail.haynes-group.com>
2004-05-03 20:16 ` Tim Donahue
2004-05-04 19:18 Burnes, James
2004-05-05  3:11 ` Michael Milverton
2004-05-05 20:10   ` mjt
2004-05-07 15:51 Dawson, Larry
2004-05-07 16:26 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-07 16:40 Dawson, Larry

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