Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?

[Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>]

MJ Ray wrote:

> On 2004-04-30 17:26:50 +0100 Michael Milverton 
> <camel78@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
>> I read this as meaning the following. Nobody is allowed to take the 
>> product that we produce and rename it into something else, thereby 
>> making it look as though it really belongs to someone else.
>
>
> You just ignored the bit where he forbids supression of the "credits" 
> banner?

I am flexible on the phrasing of this, and can allow some phrasing such 
as credits must be kept equally prominent and extensive.

> Although you might be able to argue for some form of this, it is 
> clearly more restrictive than what is written in the GPL.
>
>> and it is these people who are going against the spirit of the GPL. 
>> What is the point of having the code copyrighted to Hans Reiser in 
>> the source code when all the end user gets to see is that this 
>> software is called company X.
>
>
> It's a problem of degrees. Reasonable attribution is fine, but if 
> every command run in boot scrips output a screen of credits, just the 
> scrolling display would add considerably to the time and go past too 
> quick for anyone to read anything, for example. What is the point of 
> having the program attributed to Hans Reiser when all the end user 
> gets to see is a blur, or becomes used to skipping these messages?
>
>> I think people need to be more sensitive to the feelings of people 
>> that put such a huge amount of heart and soul into their software and 
>> not be so quick in dismissing their concerns. [...]
>
>
> I agree with this. I think the same consideration should be given to 
> the debian developers. This whole feud seems to have started because a 
> debian package maintainer responded to a bug report

Said maintainer added a bug in the process of removing credits, and thus 
we found out the credits were removed.  Your phrasing was not a good 
description

> from a debian user and then they were accused of plagiarism in a 
> confrontational response. Not really a sinister plot to steal Hans 
> Reiser's work.
>
But others out there ARE willing to do so, look at RedHat and KDE.... or 
consider various startups I know of that are more than a bit slimy about 
things like squid.