From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: MJ Ray <mjr@dsl.pipex.com>
Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 10:47:02 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4097D716.3050505@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4e8e742dc62e0e2f9a9008ee20ddd437@bouncing.localnet>
MJ Ray wrote:
>
>
>> XFree86 and I want our software to be free but not plagiarizable.
>
>
> Great! I look forward to you both fixing your licences.
Our licenses are free and not plagiarizable. GPL V2 is plagiarizable in
the view of folks at debian who felt free to remove the credits.
Assault is the wrong analogy, lying is what plagiarism is. Having a
license that prevents lying about who did what is not a restriction on
freedom any more than laws against fraud restrict freedom of speech.
>
>> In general, I want software to not be plagiarizable, as I think it
>> works against the societal interest to not attribute accurately.
>
>
> I agree.
So support those who do something to stop plagiarism.
>
>> Saying that plagiarism is an important freedom is like saying assault
>> is something you must be allowed to do if you are to be considered free.
>
>
> No-one has said that. You seem to be constructing straw men.
>
> In case you missed it, the problem which makes XFree86's latest
> licence definitely non-free (not just GPL-incompatible) is independent
> of their advertising clause.
>
What problem do you speak of?
And call it a credit clause, not an advertising clause. Advertisements
sell products, credits describe who made the project happen.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-05-04 17:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-04-24 19:32 Fwd: reiser4 non-free? Domenico Andreoli
2004-04-25 16:13 ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30 4:50 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 5:56 ` Don Armstrong
2004-04-30 11:48 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 14:12 ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-04-30 15:33 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-30 16:52 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 16:58 ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-01 19:40 ` Steve Langasek
2004-04-30 17:07 ` David Masover
2004-04-30 17:58 ` Hubert Chan
2004-04-30 22:53 ` David Masover
2004-05-02 19:46 ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30 15:13 ` Scott James Remnant
2004-04-30 17:43 ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-02 21:02 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 21:55 ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-02 22:37 ` Martin List-Petersen
2004-05-03 17:04 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:19 ` Martin List-Petersen
2004-05-03 17:30 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 6:58 ` mjt
2004-05-03 17:11 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:21 ` mjt
2004-05-03 17:35 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:49 ` mjt
2004-05-03 18:00 ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-04 16:01 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:57 ` Martin Dickopp
2004-05-04 15:50 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 19:43 ` mjt
2004-05-03 22:25 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-03 16:35 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 18:16 ` Mahesh T. Pai
2004-05-03 18:55 ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-03 23:06 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-03 21:33 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-03 21:53 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-05-04 0:00 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04 7:52 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-05-04 16:20 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 16:45 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04 17:02 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:38 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04 17:47 ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2004-05-04 18:15 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-06 18:53 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:00 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-05-06 19:14 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:22 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 21:19 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-06 23:21 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 23:29 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-07 7:04 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:00 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 2:52 ` David Masover
2004-05-06 12:32 ` Walter Landry
2004-05-06 13:44 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 14:36 ` Domenico Andreoli
2004-05-06 16:35 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-06 16:43 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 18:10 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 18:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2004-05-06 18:59 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 23:16 ` Steve Langasek
2004-05-06 23:18 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-07 18:18 ` Raul Miller
2004-05-06 22:55 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-07 1:21 ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-07 2:12 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-12 13:31 ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-07 6:47 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-08 13:50 ` Sami Liedes
2004-05-06 23:23 ` Matthew Palmer
2004-05-06 23:40 ` Raul Miller
2004-05-07 0:15 ` Stefan Traby
2004-05-10 17:15 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-10 17:20 ` Raul Miller
2004-05-07 16:14 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-09 7:08 ` Matthew Palmer
2004-05-06 18:41 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:40 ` Stefan Traby
2004-05-04 18:57 ` Fwd: " Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-06 19:34 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:49 ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-06 19:54 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:56 ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-06 20:02 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:20 ` Martin Michlmayr
2004-05-04 17:40 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:54 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:44 ` Joe Wreschnig
2004-05-06 18:58 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-10 17:59 ` Branden Robinson
2004-04-30 12:02 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 13:25 ` Fwd: reiser4 non-free? [OT] evilninja
2004-04-30 13:34 ` Fwd: reiser4 non-free? MJ Ray
2004-05-03 14:24 ` Claus Färber
2004-05-04 9:56 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-10 18:15 ` Branden Robinson
2004-04-30 12:20 ` Walter Landry
2004-04-30 14:55 ` Narcoleptic Electron
2004-04-30 8:34 ` Fwd: " Stewart Smith
2004-04-30 18:15 ` Steve Langasek
2004-05-02 18:51 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 16:26 ` Michael Milverton
2004-04-30 16:56 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-01 5:02 ` Michael Milverton
2004-05-02 19:12 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 21:03 ` Stefan Traby
2004-04-30 16:56 ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30 17:13 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 19:42 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-02 19:55 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 17:23 ` Jason Stubbs
2004-04-30 22:39 ` David Masover
2004-05-03 22:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-04 2:07 ` David Masover
2004-05-02 17:03 ` Hans Reiser
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-03 17:41 Burnes, James
2004-05-03 17:45 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 18:38 ` Martin List-Petersen
[not found] <A69517E67905B6429D57AA9EB6C86E6855266A@haynesmail.haynes-group.com>
2004-05-03 20:16 ` Tim Donahue
2004-05-04 19:18 Burnes, James
2004-05-05 3:11 ` Michael Milverton
2004-05-05 20:10 ` mjt
2004-05-07 15:51 Dawson, Larry
2004-05-07 16:26 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-07 16:40 Dawson, Larry
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