Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?

[Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>]

Markus Törnqvist wrote:

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>>Probably, but I fail to see how allowing the user to turn off the
>>DARPA message decreases the end user's knowledge of who funded it.
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>Credits unread are credits unknown.
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The problem is not the end user, the problem is that distros do it 
without the end user ever knowing that there was something to turn off.

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>>The end user can choose to read it, or they can choose not
>>to. Regardless, they should not be assaulted by the credits or forced
>>to read them. Going back to journal articles, is the funding grant
>>number emblazoned in 24 point font above the article title?[1]
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>What if there just were a compromise?
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>Of course it sucks if Reiser4 gets only into non-free, because it would
>never then be in the official installer. Besides, from what I've understood,
>Debian developers spend quite some time bickering amongst themselves, causing
>the Sarge installer to be delayed by a year or so and having the possibility
>of completely detaching non-free from Debian.
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>What this probably means is that the DDs will be fighting each other over
>stuff like this for eons and eons and if non-free is detached entirely
>it will be even more difficult to get a non-free installer with Reiser4
>on it. At least now it could be downloadable from Debian, unless some
>policy forbids hosting of non-free installers but not non-free software.
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>I know it's a tough bullet to bite for Hans if he just removed the addition
>to the license and formatted the credits so that no-one would even want
>to remove them. AFAIK the reason they were removed was that they were too
>big.
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>Oh, and the funding grant thing, weren't the credits of mkfs.reiserfs
>in the end? Where else? It's not like they were flooded all the bloody
>time in 24-point font above the title...
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>I should probably run an mkfs.reiser4 and see the notorious credits, because
>I can't remember anything offensive about them.
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There is nothing offensive about them.  We reduced them to a random 
credit, rather than an exhaustive credit like they were.  Now users 
might actually take the time to read them.;-)